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Surging oil prices could cause demand to crumble, forcing Saudi Arabia to up production

Posted on 9/29/23 at 6:46 pm
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 9/29/23 at 6:46 pm
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The end to Saudi Arabia's oil production cuts may be closer than investors anticipate, Bob McNally, founder of the Rapidan Energy Group, told Bloomberg TV on Thursday.

US crude prices hit their highest level for the year this week, but pulled back Thursday to $92.51 a barrel. Still, some in the industry have warned of even higher valuations to come — as much as $150 a barrel.

But according to McNally, persistently high oil prices may lead to plunging demand, something that Saudi Arabia will want to avoid.

"The odds are higher than the market is currently discounting that the Saudis will take their foot off the brake sooner," he said. "They do not want to deliberately over tighten the market, because if you get a spike, then you get the demand collapse and you get a bust. They don't want that."

Already, the world's top oil exporter has shown some openness to easing its oil production cuts, McNally said. For instance, during the last announcement about extending its cuts, Riyadh emphasized that output would be reviewed each month, and for the first time noted a possible production increase.

Any decision to lift the cuts may come as soon as October or November, he estimated.

Alongside its partners in the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, the kingdom has limited oil output since July and has since slowed production to around 9 million barrels a day.

OPEC data from this month has highlighted a widening imbalance between oil demand and supply due to the production cuts, which could spark the biggest oil deficit since 2007 in the next quarter.

Saudi Arabia has an incentive to for oil prices to reach the $100 level, as the country looks to use export revenue to diversify its economy away from petroleum.

That's as the kingdom's sovereign wealth fund plans to spend $40 billion annually on domestic investments, which includes the construction of a futuristic city called Neom.

But market veteran Ed Yardeni wrote in a Thursday note that $100 oil will hurt demand and risks triggering a global recession if consumers cut spending. It could also initiate non-OPEC crude production to increase.


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Posted by jimjackandjose
Member since Jun 2011
6631 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 6:47 pm to
Oil companies want 75 per barrel.

Over 100 is not good for consumer sentiment and cyclical nature of oil
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
24861 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 6:51 pm to
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Oil companies want 75 per barrel.

Over 100 is not good for consumer sentiment and cyclical nature of oil


Smart guy/gal.

Though I wonder if due to inflation over the last 5-7 years if 85 is the new 75. Either way, a fast ramp up to over $100 really doesn’t help oil & gas operators in the long run. Nice and steady is best.
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11626 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 6:52 pm to
U.S. Shale is very rate sensitive. Should be a fun time next year.
Posted by Triple Bogey
19th Green
Member since May 2017
6187 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 6:53 pm to
The Saudis are never going to shift their entire economy to a world without oil, with oil at $70-80 bbl. They’re going to wait till our dumbass puppet of a president drains the SPR and then cut production.

ETA: Oil will hit $125-150 within two years. Bookmark this post
This post was edited on 9/29/23 at 6:54 pm
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
10855 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 6:55 pm to
A lot of wishful thinking here.
Posted by tigerfan84
Member since Dec 2003
23396 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 7:30 pm to
Orange Man Bad
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
74449 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 7:35 pm to
quote:


A lot of wishful thinking here


Meanwhile oil has been flat for two weeks.

Including closing down the last 2 days.
Posted by Burt Wayne
Member since Sep 2023
136 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 7:35 pm to
quote:

The Saudis are never going to shift their entire economy to a world without oil, with oil at $70-80 bbl. They’re going to wait till our dumbass puppet of a president drains the SPR and then cut production.

ETA: Oil will hit $125-150 within two years. Bookmark this post


That is the entire plan of the Democratic Party.

Jan 20, 2021: Biden cancels Keystone Pipeline

Jan 27 2021: Biden halts new oil and gas leases

Feb 19, 2021: Biden rejoins Paris Climate Agreement

May 7, 2021: Biden takes 30% of land off limits to oil and gas

June 1, 2021: Biden halts drilling in ANWR

June 30, 2021: Democratic Congress reverses Trump natural gas regulations

Oct 7, 2021: Biden reverses Trump NEPA regulations

Oct 29, 2021: Interior begins "Social Cost of Carbon"

Nov 15, 2021 Moratorium on oil drilling in Chaco Canyon

March 1, 2022: Biden releases oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve

March 21, 2022: SEC proposes anti-oil rule

May 12, 2022: Biden cancels all remaining oil and natural gas lease sales

July 6, 2022: News breaks that Biden let 5 million barrels of US reserves sent overseas as gasoline prices stay high.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
74449 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 7:36 pm to
You should add the date when Trump sold SPR barrels to Chyna.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
60681 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 7:40 pm to
quote:

drains the SPR a


Really has nothing to do with this discussion.
Posted by PPeterson1
Choklahoma
Member since Jul 2010
2102 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 7:40 pm to
Oh you mean when gas prices were $2.00 a gallon? Yeah sounds the same to me.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
62290 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 7:44 pm to
What if they can't increase production?
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
60681 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 7:45 pm to
Why would they not be able to?
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
74449 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 7:49 pm to
quote:


Oh you mean when gas prices were $2.00 a gallon? Yeah sounds the same to me.


Either the guy has a problem with selling bbls to Chyna or he doesn't. Just saying if he is looking for sources of selling SPR bbls to add to his timeline he is missing some critical ones because he is only worried about the Dems doing it.
Posted by Burt Wayne
Member since Sep 2023
136 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 8:03 pm to
quote:

You should add the date when Trump sold SPR barrels to Chyna.

Why don't you add it?
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
10077 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 8:06 pm to
One thing you missed was (D) blocking Trump from refilling SPR when prices were at a real low point. Buy high, sell low! Wait..?
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
74449 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 8:09 pm to
I don't keep track of the dates like you. Not really relevant to me.

You can add March of 2023 Congress refused to stop the congressional mandated sale from the SPR. Some of those bbls went to Dutch/Australian/Saudi holders.

Fwiw, there are more Congressional mandates to sell oil for the next 4 years, +100MMBBLs. I have serious doubt there will be a push to stop them from R or D.
This post was edited on 9/29/23 at 8:15 pm
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
10077 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 8:16 pm to
Oil is fungible, it doesn't matter where it comes from or who buys it. The Indians and Chinese started buying embargoed oil from Russia as soon as they were sanctioned, instead of buying oil from other countries. Other countries shifted their buying, and Asia got the benefit of having supply that the western countries wouldn't buy, which restricted the price Russia could charge, to a limited extent.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
74449 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 8:20 pm to
Totally agree.

The market is upside down right now. Seeing sour grades selling for more than Brent in Europe and now the diesel market just blew up. The last year has been a wild ride and it looks like that was just a warmup.

Seems who is supplying the oil isn't as important as figuring out who you are competing against.
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