re: You can thank Baylor for holding up this process

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Baylor is not and has never been associated with the Southern Baptist Convention. I think it is affiliated with the Texas General Baptist Convention, loosely.

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From Wiki on Baylor

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In the late twentieth century, the Southern Baptist Convention had a major controversy between conservative Baptists and liberal/moderate Baptists. Conservative Baptists achieved control of the organization and replaced officials of many agencies. Similar actions took place in many state conventions as well.

Concerned about potential effects on its governance, in 1991 Baylor University gained authorization by the Texas legislature to change the terms of its charter. It established a governance less directly dependent upon the Baptist General Convention of Texas, which administration was feared to follow suit with the Southern Baptist Convention. The state convention continues to elect one-quarter of the members of Baylor's Board of Regents.

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Wiki on Baptist General Convention of Texas

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The Baptist General Convention of Texas is the oldest surviving Baptist convention in the state of Texas. The churches cooperating with the Baptist General Convention of Texas (BGCT) partner nationally and internationally with both the Southern Baptist Convention and the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship, among others, for missions. In 2009, the BGCT began to also go by the name Texas Baptists to better communicate who they are.

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First, while separate organizations, it's apparent the university is concerned about cross influences because they do work together. Second, I wouldn't call controlling a quarter of their BOR a loose affiliation.

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So are you scared that 1/4 of Baylor's BOR will control the SEC? Are you scared that a visiting fan will be converted to following Jesus Christ? Are you scared that Baylor will have a dry tailgating rule at their stadium? The football stadium is off campus by the way. Are you just scared of Bible thumpers?

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Not scared, but they don't belong in the SEC. I was just curious as to the facts. Why didn't I accept them as given? IDK, except that I suspected the poster was Baptist. Baptists are the poster child for separation of Church and State. Should have included football...

I did not add football because it seemed to me that some of you were against Baylor because they might be run by Christians. You will see that they have not converted OU or UTw fans to follow Jesus Christ so why worry unless you have racist tendencies toward Christians. Do you have" Little Faith syndrome?"

Not defensive making a point. Has religious high schools brought down football districts? Has Baylor brought down the Big 12? UTw is the problem and they are considered a religious college. Now I know why ND is independent because people have "Little Faith Syndrome" or they fill like they will be judged. The point is that Baylor has an overall sports program more competitive than Rice, TT, TCU or any other Texas college other than UTw and aTm.

Baylor fans have discovered Tigerdroppings

I need some blackup for a Baylor board invasion.

Baylor is about as religious an institution as LSU. They are "baptist" in heritage only. I wouldn't worry about them being too religious to join the SEC.

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Baylor is about as religious an institution as LSU. They are "baptist" in heritage only. I wouldn't worry about them being too religious to join the SEC.

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Baylor has a seminary as well. I know they don't restrict admission or anything, but religion still has some influence.

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Common misconception. Ann swung her dick around, but Baylor was probably getting in anyway.

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Baylor and Tech both got in due to boosters and state legislature. Baylor is a private school in a tiny TV market. Tech is also in a tiny market. Houston was a public school in a huge market. It was odd that the legislature chose to push a private school before a state school.

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Baylor and Houston were the only two at the time who seemed to have any capability at all of sustaining a successful athletic program. Baylor had a much larger fan base, whereas Houston was and still is a commuter school with virtually no fans. Also, in the last five years of the SWC, Baylor went 21-15; Houston went 9-26-1.

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The whole SWC was on sanctions. UH went 28-6 from '88 to '90. They went through the toilet under Jenkins. If they had chosen teams for the Big 12 in the 80's, then UH would have been one of the first teams in. The sanctions crushed them and half of the conference. It would be like the SEC and ACC merging and not inviting Alabama during the Shula years. The timing and not the program would have been the issue.

Ann Richards wasn't the only person to blame. Honestly the Lt. Gov probably did way more for TTU and Baylor. But there were many influences.

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The truth is that Baylor was perfectly deserving of their Big 12 invite; Houston was not.

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The truth is that politics and the SWC getting destroyed by sanctions pushed this. Baylor won an SWC title 5 times in almost 100 years in the conference. UH won the title 4 times in less than 20 years and would have won more if they hadn't been ineligible in '89 and '90. UH had an invite to the SEC at one point. They were one of the best programs in the SWC in the 70's and 80's.

Regardless hearing Baylor boohoo about state unity now is laughable because they certainly didn't mention it when they were snuck into the Big 12. I hope they spend the next 20 years in the Conference USA.

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The same can be said for Baylor. They were always competitive until the Big 12 formed; and they're perfectly capable of being competitive. Not elite, but respectable.

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Baylor has been the doormat of the Big 12. They've been to 1 bowl game since the Big 12 was formed (2010). They lost huge to Illinois. They are not capable of being competitive. They're capable of being Vandy.

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Now, with that said, I don't want A&M in the SEC. Just don't like them and their fan base.

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I think you'll find A&M and LSU very similar in that sense. You'll see both on people's lists of Best and Worst fans in the country.

I'd be willing to wager you'll find both on more Best lists than worsts, each just as its own unique attitude and spirit.

When people hate the A&M and LSU fan experience they usually do so with a passion for whatever reason.