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re: Why You Should Not Want This To Happen (If You Are An SEC FAN)...Seriously.
Posted on 9/8/11 at 5:51 pm to The Easter Bunny
Posted on 9/8/11 at 5:51 pm to The Easter Bunny
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Also lets them play games in the central time zone instead of everyone on the east coast forgetting they are still playing games once the primetime ones are over.
A huge fact.
It allows them to compete directly for tv audiences by expanding their influence across time zones and into the central part of the country. Meanwhile, expansion for the SEC fails to offer a similar advantage. We remain where we have always been: in the southeast and central parts of the country.
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Posted on 9/8/11 at 5:56 pm to GABlueDog
Heres the deal though BlueDog, the PAC 12 is going to become the PAC 16 anyway. You can see the handwriting on the wall. ITS going to happen. As such , wouldnt it be better for the SEC to be proactive rather than reactive. Either way the PAC 16 is likely to bring in more money than the SEC rather we stay at 12 teams or move to 14 teams. Your analysis is great and I understand where you're coming from, but the PAC 12 is expanding , it will happen and will change the dynamics of modern college football. I say beat them to the punch . Like the old Fram oil filter commercial used to say, "You can pay me now or you can pay me later" but no matter either way , you are going to have to pay. 
This post was edited on 9/8/11 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 9/8/11 at 6:09 pm to windhammontanatigers
My hope is that Colorado's Jihad against admission of their former Big12 partners to the Pac12 is at least a voice they Pac12 is hearing.
I realize that CU is insignificant to the Pac12 in the overall scheme (they were only added to block Baylor) but if they pound the drums loud enough maybe they will be heard.
The Pac16 would be awesome. The SEC can't collect the same caliber teams. That's why I am and always have been against expansion. Playoffs? You bet. Expansion? No.
I'm so sick of OU's snide academics comments that I don't welcome them. I really have a hard time seeing that the Pac 12 will either but who knows.
UT belongs in the B1G so they can have equal arrogance with tOSU and Michigan. Don't you know Wisconsin would love to get them in their stadium.
I realize that CU is insignificant to the Pac12 in the overall scheme (they were only added to block Baylor) but if they pound the drums loud enough maybe they will be heard.
The Pac16 would be awesome. The SEC can't collect the same caliber teams. That's why I am and always have been against expansion. Playoffs? You bet. Expansion? No.
I'm so sick of OU's snide academics comments that I don't welcome them. I really have a hard time seeing that the Pac 12 will either but who knows.
UT belongs in the B1G so they can have equal arrogance with tOSU and Michigan. Don't you know Wisconsin would love to get them in their stadium.
Posted on 9/8/11 at 6:19 pm to windhammontanatigers
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windhammontanatigers
I agree, if the Pac12 expands then the SEC must expand in attempt to counter their move. All I am pointing out is that the expansion and realignment of college football holds much more incentive for the Pac12 rather than the SEC. The gains for them are significantly greater than the gains for us.
That is why I don't want to admit A&M before anything does happen. I am hoping that the threat of litigation and the influence of political pressure in certain places makes the process of implementing expansion more trouble than its worth. A lot of business fails to get done in this country due to legal reasons and the threat of legal action and hopefully that is what happens here because expansion is not in the best interests of our conference.
It is better for us if A&M stays in a weaker Big12 along with Oklahoma and Texas and the other guys.
Posted on 9/8/11 at 6:45 pm to GABlueDog
my bad. my reading comprehension skills are severely lacking today. I thought you were saying the pac-whatever had more on field success than the SEC. not the teams each conference would add.
Posted on 9/8/11 at 6:57 pm to angryslugs
Its cool.
Posted on 9/8/11 at 7:31 pm to GABlueDog
Since WWII, only three Pac-10 schools have won a national title (and Washington's was a split). Adding Texas and Oklahoma, while huge, would merely bring that conference to the SEC's level on a historical level.
Also, don't mistake current quality for future quality. Tech has just completed its Golden Age, and still couldn't win a conference title. Then again, they've never won since joining the SWC.
Let's put it like this, in the 10 years before the formation of the SWC, Baylor had only had two losing seasons, and both of those were 5-6 seasons. How did that work out?
Also, don't mistake current quality for future quality. Tech has just completed its Golden Age, and still couldn't win a conference title. Then again, they've never won since joining the SWC.
Let's put it like this, in the 10 years before the formation of the SWC, Baylor had only had two losing seasons, and both of those were 5-6 seasons. How did that work out?
Posted on 9/8/11 at 7:32 pm to GABlueDog
The PAC16 would gobble up a lot of TV sets, but aside from that it just seems like a forced marriage to me.
Everybody in that conference would know that they are all in that forced/arranged marriage for the money.
On the field I'll be worried when we start getting out recruited. (not likely)
Everybody in that conference would know that they are all in that forced/arranged marriage for the money.
On the field I'll be worried when we start getting out recruited. (not likely)
Posted on 9/8/11 at 7:40 pm to Cornbeef
I have a bad feeling that BYU is going to go Big 12, and we're going to be stuck with the Aggies and 13 members while nobody else expands.
Posted on 9/8/11 at 8:14 pm to wmr
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Forget about talk of getting those Texas viewers; the vast majority of them will be watching Texas, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma...not A&M. The balance of power would be permanently and immediately altered.
Having lived in Texas my entire life, I can tell you that this is complete horseshite. Some of the most nonsensical crap I've read this week, and this has been a week full of wild rumors.
OU has no following in this state outside of their alumni base, mostly in D/FW and a few in Houston. Tech has a following, but it's limited to West Texas and their alumni. Texas has a statewide following, and A&M has a statewide following. Texas currently has the majority of tshirt fans. 15 or 20 years ago, we had more tshirt fans.
You went on to post records, which are a measure of on field success, not fan interest. We, A&M, have had a pretty dismal run in the Big 12. With our successes in the 1990s, RC Slocum became convinced that he should get more involved in the offense. In reality, he knew nothing about offense, so we had a revolving door of offensive coordinators. He also got lazy with recruiting. We waited too long to fire him and then replaced him with the wrong guy. I think that we have the right guy now, but we have had a very mediocre existence most of our time in the Big 12.
If you want to find a measure of fan interest in Texas, look at radio affiliates for the four schools that you mentioned.
Tech:
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28 cities with radio affiliates (in Texas only)
OU:
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2 cities with radio affiliates (in Texas only)
Texas A&M:
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43 cities with radio affiliates (all in Texas)
Texas:
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31 cities with radio affiliates (all in Texas)
I am shocked that we have that many more radio stations that the Horns. I doubt that we cover more listeners, but I am not about to look at coverage maps of radio stations.
If you really want to judge fan interest, look at ratings for each school when televised and limit it to conference games so that you aren't comparing ratings for school A playing Ohio State against school B playing Florida Atlantic. I don't have the time and won't touch this project.
In adding A&M, the SEC is adding solid television ratings for the state of Texas. You won't get that from Tech or OU.
This post was edited on 9/8/11 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 9/8/11 at 8:26 pm to daboman of Aggieland
It doesn't surprise me that TAMU has more radio affiliates than UT. Given the ag background vs the douche background.
Posted on 9/8/11 at 9:55 pm to daboman of Aggieland
The big question is would A&M bring enough to justify their cut, as well as make more money for the other members, including a possible WVU-caliber team.
Posted on 9/8/11 at 10:32 pm to wmr
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"All I am pointing out is that the expansion and realignment of college football holds much more incentive for the Pac12 rather than the SEC."
I've been saying this for a week over on Hogville, I agree.
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I have a bad feeling that BYU is going to go Big 12, and we're going to be stuck with the Aggies and 13 members while nobody else expands.
It's a concern I also have..
Posted on 9/9/11 at 9:47 am to wmr
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and we're going to be stuck with the Aggies and 13 members while nobody else expands.
This wouldn't be the end of the world. The SEC would gain a foothold in Texas and I think the Aggies would more than pay for themselves. Or, we could always boot out Vanderbilt.
Posted on 9/9/11 at 9:51 am to GABlueDog
It's already happening sorry. I want those teams from the PAC and Big 12 to join so that their strength of schedule is at least somewhat comparable to the SEC. OU/Texas basically have to play each other and the winner goes to the BCS. Im sick of that shite.
Posted on 9/9/11 at 9:56 am to wmr
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I have a bad feeling that BYU is going to go Big 12, and we're going to be stuck with the Aggies and 13 members while nobody else expands.
I second this feeling
Posted on 9/9/11 at 10:05 am to TXGunslinger10
I think they would take Missouri or WVU before this ever becomes the case. I'm all for VT first though
Posted on 9/9/11 at 10:16 am to wmr
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The big question is would A&M bring enough to justify their cut, as well as make more money for the other members
absolutely no way that they would have gotten the unanimous vote by the SEC schools if it didn't mean more $$$ for everyone
Posted on 9/9/11 at 10:22 am to wmr
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I have a bad feeling that BYU is going to go Big 12, and we're going to be stuck with the Aggies and 13 members while nobody else expands.
There's a little secret that most of the other conferences don't want you to know:
A good number of their members would bolt to the SEC if they were offered a piece of this pie. The SEC won't get "stuck" with anything.
Besides, TAM brings with it additional revenue and a wider audience for the SEC network. Just having one Texas team in the SEC opens the entire state up. I hardly doubt that the members of the SEC are worried about getting stuck with more money and bigger TV audiences.
This post was edited on 9/9/11 at 10:24 am
Posted on 9/9/11 at 10:38 am to TigersRuleTheEarth
Personally, I like the conferences where they are. And I agree that the PAC-whatever has the most to gain from expansion. I think the best case scenario for the next 5-10 years for the SEC is for everyone to remain where they are. We are on top on the field with our BCS record, have good balance among our teams, have by far the best championship game and have teams that for the most part are good geographic and cultural fits.
However, staying at status quo just doesn't seem to be a realistic possibility. If expansion is going to happen (which looks increasingly likely), then the SEC needs to be as proactive as possible to be sure that all of the best teams are not gobbled up by other super-conferences. Pac-Whatever and the B1G are going to improve themselves and we need to do likewise. Of the reaslistic choices, Texas A&M is to me clearly the best choice for all the reasons everyone has rehashed a million times (good fan support, decent team success, Texas tv markets and recruiting).
After them, I see the best choices (in rough order) as: VT, FSU, an NC school (not likely), OK (not likely) Clemson, Missouri, OK State, TCU, WVU, GT, Louisville.
Only the first five or so of those really excite me and I'm not sure if they are realistic, but if sh*t starts hitting the fan, we will have to just do the best we can.
However, staying at status quo just doesn't seem to be a realistic possibility. If expansion is going to happen (which looks increasingly likely), then the SEC needs to be as proactive as possible to be sure that all of the best teams are not gobbled up by other super-conferences. Pac-Whatever and the B1G are going to improve themselves and we need to do likewise. Of the reaslistic choices, Texas A&M is to me clearly the best choice for all the reasons everyone has rehashed a million times (good fan support, decent team success, Texas tv markets and recruiting).
After them, I see the best choices (in rough order) as: VT, FSU, an NC school (not likely), OK (not likely) Clemson, Missouri, OK State, TCU, WVU, GT, Louisville.
Only the first five or so of those really excite me and I'm not sure if they are realistic, but if sh*t starts hitting the fan, we will have to just do the best we can.
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