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re: Why all the fuss about UT-Alabama game being lost
Posted on 10/6/11 at 3:05 pm to ohiovol
Posted on 10/6/11 at 3:05 pm to ohiovol
quote:I agree with you.
It's the first one. If the holdup was about preserving the Egg Bowl, I would completely respect the two teams refusing to concede, despite the fact that I find no value in the game whatsoever.
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Posted on 10/6/11 at 3:07 pm to 12
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The 2 programs with the most wins in the SEC. It is one of the best rivalry games in college football. The only rivalry games that are possibly as good in the SEC are UA/AU or AU/UGA.
Rivalry games, all rivalry games are only as good as the teams that play in it. In the last 35 years both teams have been ranked going into the game only 11 times. If you take out a 6 year period in the ninties (the only time the rivalry lived up to it's billing), it's only 6 times in the remaining 29.
I know it's an important game to you, but it's just not meaningful on any larger scale. The greater need is to be a conference. With expansion, the permanent x div game has to go. If you want to play each other every year, you need to be in the same div or the game has to be sched as a noncounting extra conf game (i.e. like an OOC).
Posted on 10/6/11 at 3:07 pm to johnnydrama
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I agree with you.
I find it hard to believe the SEC can't add Missouri and keep the UT/Bama rivalry.
This post was edited on 10/6/11 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 10/6/11 at 3:08 pm to Indiana Tiger
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The greater need is to be a conference.
Why? UT and Bama's first loyalty should be to themselves.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 3:10 pm to ohiovol
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The greater need is to be a conference.
Why? UT and Bama's first loyalty should be to themselves.
Then like another poster said, y'all need to be in then AL/TN conference, not the SEC.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 3:14 pm to ohiovol
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I find it hard to believe the SEC can't add Missouri and keep the UT/Bama rivalry.
They can. If they put Missouri in the East and A&M in the West and left everything else as is, and have A&M and Missouri face each other as cross divisional rivals, then it works. Missouri needs to play in Texas every year for their recruiting purposes.
The problem there is that with 14 conference members (7 per division), the SEC either has to drop one of the cross divisional games each year or every team has to drop an OOC game. If they drop a cross divisional game, the rotation of playing teams in the other division slows down and players will no longer face each team in the conference during the four year period when they attend. If they drop an OOC game, teams lose money (unless the TV contract makes up for it once it's re-negotiated).
ETA: not to mention that you now have to cycle through 7 teams (six rotating, one permanent) from the other division instead of just 6. Even if the conference goes to 9 conference games a season, you're still not going to play all of the cross-divisional teams every four years.
ETA 2: If you go to 16 and do the four pods of four thing (you play all 3 of the teams in your pod, plus two of the teams from each of the other pods every year to get to 9 games), you get to play every other school within 4 years. But you lose permanent opponents completely then.
Just need to decide what makes the most money/is the best for the conference.
This post was edited on 10/6/11 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 10/6/11 at 3:41 pm to johnnydrama
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If you're saying that in a non-cocky way I agree with you, the two teams involved should definitely have a say in the matter.
What we're saying is that even if both teams went into the game with no wins at all, it would be very important to us.
I speak for a majority of Alabama fans, and probably a majority of Tennessee fans when I say that, while I say that Mizzou is certainly welcome to come aboard, the Third Saturday is not an acceptable concession for us to make.
Some acrobatics could be done to make it work, the details simply have to be ironed out. I would sacrifice the Iron Bowl all day long, every day to keep Alabama/Tennessee alive.
This post was edited on 10/6/11 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 10/6/11 at 3:41 pm to SeattleTiger19
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I understand it is a big game to their respective schools. However, it is not really a big game to many outside those two schools. It is not the big in state rivalry game you see other places. It is not a game you see game day traveling to each year to cover. If this is the factor holding up an expansion to 14 that sucks for the other 11 schools. If it was an in state rival game taken away I would say stay at 13 but Alabama and Tennessee is not that big of a deal to me.
This.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 3:44 pm to memphisplaya
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Create a two team conference. You and UT and play Each other 8 games on every Saturday and instead of calling it 3rd Saturday in October you can call it every Saturday of the season.
That sounds fine. We'll take Tennessee and go play over there in the corner. frick y'all!
Posted on 10/6/11 at 4:03 pm to ohiovol
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I heard that, and I would definitely be upset it was true. It would be a little surprising, though. I don't see Bama begging to keep the game if Tennessee didn't care enough to vote the same way, to be honest.
If rivalries are so important to Bama and Tennessee, then they can just move both Bama and Auburn to the East and Vandy to the West. The competitive advantage to the West will exist, but you keep your rivalries. You can't have it both ways in trying to get a very good replacement team.
These schools need to pick, Rivalries or Competitive equality in the divisions. Make their choices and STFU about it.
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