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re: What is a market with 1B people, when 999.99M don't watch?
Posted on 6/13/10 at 4:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/13/10 at 4:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
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part of it is style of play
We've alwys been a dominant conference (look at number of nationl titles since 1950). The problem was the igher ups didn't know how to market us. They've figured that out now.
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part of it is our lack of metro areas to support programs
Makes very little difference. mot of the larger metro areas outside the south don't give a flying frick about college football. LA was a horrible, let me repeat, HORRIBLE market for college football in the 80's and 90's. Why? Becuase USC, the dominant program, is full of bandwagon/casual fans. Most of the other big programs (Alabama, Penn ST, Notre Dame Oklahoma, Texas) still fill their stadiums when they are losing. USC does not. LA is about to be another horrbile market for college football because USC is about to be bad again (remember, they are the second largest city in America and couldn't hold a pro football team. The fact is, southern califoria just doesn't care much about football).
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part of it is just history. ND, USC, UM, OSU, OU, etc have been big dogs for decades
I love how you leave Alabama out, even though their 'down' period was far less than USC, Notre Dame, and Ohio State, all of whom went far longer between titles (25 years for USC, 22 years so far for notre dame, 34 yers for Ohio State and hell, Michigan has ONE poll chmpionship in the last SIXTY years!!! Oh and we have more poll championhips than OU as well) Despite you're 'learned' opinion Alabama is VERY MUCH a National brand.
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the only 2 johnny come latelies are FSU and Miami, who fricking took over with a reckless, entertaining style in the 80s-90s
And no one in Miami gives a shite about the Hurricanes- they routinely have half empty stadiums.
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the SEC has bama, historically
And Tennessee, who BY ANY MEASURE has as much tradition as any school you named.
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UF is a national program who is in the same mold as FSU/UM. their exciting play and 2 titles make them #1 from the SEC right now
Really, cuase I thought Alabama put at number 2 on the field? You are the type of college football fan I hate. You look at the college landscape over the last few years and assume it will always be like that. You probably think that USC will bounc back quickly too don't you? Of course, you probably DON'T know that USC had ONE 10-win season in over two decades beore Cheatin' Pete arrived- that's right, if you were typing this in the mid 90's you would have been the guy listing USC as irrelevant.
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Posted on 6/13/10 at 4:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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VA is heavily recruited/raided by the SEC
VA would be an intermittent drip of LOIs at best for LSU. TAMU could hurt the steady TX flow much worse.
UTx and OU are locked up like mutts with the rest circling, except TAMU.
Unless B12=10 next week, SEC needs an easterner worth his weight. VT probably barely fits bill, but SEC viewing interest around lower E Coast could pick up also in coming years.
The real fight for SEC might not be with PACteen, but with B10 moving East in a viewer market war.
Posted on 6/13/10 at 4:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the SEC has shown that local/regional support is the best model right now
That's the key phrase. What is best in 2010 will not be what is best in 2020. You are smart guy but a lawyer with what 2 years experience is probably not as well informed on issues of what TV executives think is most important.
In the late 80's the SEC had vision, adding 2 teams and playing a CCG. That has been big money, now it looks like the Big 10 are the visionaries with the Big 10 Network. If the SEC stands pat, it will fall behind which will include in the field eventually.
Posted on 6/13/10 at 5:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
This changesd a little when you are trying to start your own network, rather than negotiating with an existing one. The key to running your own network is how many subscribers there are in an area. If there are enough subscribers to make it make sense for the cable companies to put it in their Sports Tier, then that's what matters, not actual viewers who can be tied to advertising $$.
Posted on 6/13/10 at 7:27 pm to BamaChick
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they don't bring new MARKETS to the table.
markets only matter if people will watch
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that would now get the "SEC Game of the Week".
they already get ESPN and CBS
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All cable markets in Florida are already part of the SEC's regional cable market footprint because of the Gators.
are you saying ESPN isn't available in missouri or virginia?
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Adding either of the 2 other Florida schools don't amount to any new cable markets
with ESPN on basic everywhere, neither are missouri and virginia
Posted on 6/13/10 at 7:28 pm to Guster
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and no one wants to watch a conference giant play a mid-tier conference team?
last year this was not the case. it was BCS vs BCS. 2005 also. 2006 had LSU vs fricking Notre Dame.
Posted on 6/13/10 at 7:32 pm to secfan123
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mot of the larger metro areas outside the south don't give a flying frick about college football.
uh, no shite. that's what i'm saying
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I love how you leave Alabama out, even though their 'down' period was far less than USC,
i've brought up bama numerous times as one of 1 the 2 national programs the SEC can offer
but when you compare their peaks right now, bama can't touch OSU, UM, USC, ND, etc
look at the national media for USC in 2004-2005 vs the media for bama last year
when bama had their NCAA sanction rape, it was not national news like USC's was
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And no one in Miami gives a shite about the Hurricanes- they routinely have half empty stadiums.
uh, i said that
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And Tennessee, who BY ANY MEASURE has as much tradition as any school you named.
UTenn has no national appeal
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You look at the college landscape over the last few years and assume it will always be like that.
brah i said UF is #1 "right now"
it's even in the text you quoted
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Of course, you probably DON'T know that USC had ONE 10-win season in over two decades beore Cheatin' Pete arrived- that's right, if you were typing this in the mid 90's you would have been the guy listing USC as irrelevant.
tell me the last SEC program got the national media love USC did 2003-2007. bama in the 70s/80s maybe?
Posted on 6/13/10 at 7:35 pm to H-Town Tiger
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What is best in 2010 will not be what is best in 2020.
well we've had years of data for expansion from other conferences and only the SEC has been successful at it
and we're aiming at programs who don't fit the mold of what makes the SEC successful
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probably not as well informed on issues of what TV executives think is most important.
i have said many times if ESPN is telling the SEC who to pick, and we have a deal in place to increase revenue per team, i'm ok with it. does anybody have any sort of indication this is the case?
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now it looks like the Big 10 are the visionaries with the Big 10 Network. If the SEC stands pat, it will fall behind which will include in the field eventually.
the big10 doesn't have the recruiting to touch the SEC as a conference
and no matter what, we can't start a cable network anytime soon. that's why ESPN hooked us up and made it a 15 year deal. we'd have to get out of that contract entirely. the cable model is not an option
Posted on 6/13/10 at 7:37 pm to Tiger in NY
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This changesd a little when you are trying to start your own network, rather than negotiating with an existing one. The key to running your own network is how many subscribers there are in an area. If there are enough subscribers to make it make sense for the cable companies to put it in their Sports Tier, then that's what matters, not actual viewers who can be tied to advertising $$.
uh, did you read my first post?
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with a cable deal, market size matters, b/c they can put the channel on the cable package of millions of people who will never watch the channel. who watches doesn't matter for the most part. cox/tuner/comcast/etc will still pay the conference for the channel
this is not an option for the SEC. it makes sense for the big10 and pac16 if they can start up a market, but it doesn't make sense for the SEC
and i'm pretty sure eventually if the pac16 attempts this cable channel there is a backlash and it doesn't touch teh big10. the big10 supports the frick out of their programs. the pac10 does not
Posted on 6/13/10 at 7:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
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but when you compare their peaks right now, bama can't touch OSU, UM, USC, ND, etc
Alabama's peak is just starting and will be very bit as big as those (by the way UM may have had a big peak in the late 80's and in the early 2000's, but in between no one cares about them) By the way, after ONE national title, Bama had an SI cover that said "DYNASTY"- you can't get more love than that.
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look at the national media for USC in 2004-2005 vs the media for bama last year
when bama had their NCAA sanction rape, it was not national news like USC's was
Either you did not pay attention to sports or you're just tlking out of your arse becuase ESPN had it plastered all over with comments.
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And no one in Miami gives a shite about the Hurricanes- they routinely have half empty stadiums.
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UTenn has no national appeal
bullshite. In the 90's early 2000's they had as much national appeal as anyone
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tell me the last SEC program got the national media love USC did 2003-2007. bama in the 70s/80s maybe?
Bama's already starting to get it (see the SI refernce above). Florida hs gotten MORE love thn USC over the last three years (and no USC player even came CLOSE to getting the attention Tebow got)
Posted on 6/13/10 at 7:53 pm to secfan123
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Alabama's peak is just starting
compare 2003-2004 for USC with 2008-2009 with Bama
it's not fricking close how much more national pub USC got compared to bama
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by the way UM may have had a big peak in the late 80's and in the early 2000's, but in between no one cares about them
in 2006 ESPN had a countdown for the OSU-UM game FOR A WEEK STRAIGHT
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By the way, after ONE national title, Bama had an SI cover that said "DYNASTY"- you can't get more love than that.
yes no college program gets on the cover of SI after winning the national title. that wins the argument
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Either you did not pay attention to sports or you're just tlking out of your arse becuase ESPN had it plastered all over with comments.
dude
in 2005 ESPN ran a special asking what national champion would beat USC. it ran for like 30 days straight, 1 team per day. think about that and think about what Bama will get next year
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bullshite. In the 90's early 2000's they had as much national appeal as anyone
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Bama's already starting to get it (see the SI refernce above).
your proof is the SI cover after they won a national title? :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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Florida hs gotten MORE love thn USC over the last three years
but UF didn't get the same amount of love as USC 2003-2005 from 2006-2008
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and no USC player even came CLOSE to getting the attention Tebow got
they had 2
bush and leinart
you do remember reggie bush, right? stole the heisman from vince young. didn't show up for the title game and still somehow went #2 overall in the draft labeled teh best RB prospect ever? that guy. he got a LITTLE bit of love
Posted on 6/13/10 at 8:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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last year this was not the case. it was BCS vs BCS. 2005 also. 2006 had LSU vs fricking Notre Dame.
last year was fricking Cincy, like they would draw more viewers than a mid tier school.
Lsu vs nd? Great fricking point, it had a Nielsen rating over 17 trumping the hyped USC vs mich game (14). See.
That's what happens when you are able to pit two storied or major bsc teams against each other on a regular basis.
This post was edited on 6/13/10 at 8:09 pm
Posted on 6/13/10 at 8:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
in the 2003 BCS season the USC-UM rose bowl almost out-gained the national title game (which included OU)
think about that
also think about this
the only time that the rose was ever challenged was the 2008 Fiesta...who was playing? UT and OSU (10.7 to 11.7)
think about that
also think about this
the only time that the rose was ever challenged was the 2008 Fiesta...who was playing? UT and OSU (10.7 to 11.7)
This post was edited on 6/13/10 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 6/13/10 at 8:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
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compare 2003-2004 for USC with 2008-2009 with Bama
it's not fricking close how much more national pub USC got compared to bama
2003 was USC's first nationl title (AP) we are getting as much or more love than them after 2003. 2004 they had repeated and were going for a supposed three peat. If Alabama repeats next year it will be the same.
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in 2006 ESPN had a countdown for the OSU-UM game FOR A WEEK STRAIGHT
Yeah they didn't have that for Alabama Florida this year (and last year too genius) Are you fricking serious? And I was talking about Miami, NOT Michigan. The only year other than their title year (97) that Michigan got alot of love was 2006)
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yes no college program gets on the cover of SI after winning the national title. that wins the argument
How many have had DYNASTY on their picture after their first title. THAT is what was different genius.
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dude
[quote]in 2005 ESPN ran a special asking what national champion would beat USC. it ran for like 30 days straight, 1 team per day. think about that and think about what Bama will get next year
USC was TWO time defending champ in 2005. If Alabma wins next year too, it will be the same or more (Florida got every bit as much love in 2009 also)
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your proof is the SI cover after they won a national title?
No, the proof is the DYNASTY plastered across the front. You can't possibly this stupid can you?
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but UF didn't get the same amount of love as USC 2003-2005 from 2006-2008
I think you're memory is playing you false. Florida 09 was USC 05.
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they had 2
bush and leinart
Now I know you're stupid. Neither Bush nor Leinhart got the pub or the love that Tebow has gotten in his career. To argue otherwise is the height of ignorance.
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you do remember reggie bush, right? stole the heisman from vince young. didn't show up for the title game and still somehow went #2 overall in the draft labeled teh best RB prospect ever? that guy. he got a LITTLE bit of love
NEVER did he come close to being proclaimed the best ollege football player of all time as Tebow was. Are you fricking serious?
And the Tennessee thing- I realize you probably didn't watch football before 2003, but guess what? Tennessee was one of th biggest names in the country in the late 90's early 2000's. You didn't know because when USC sucks (as they did from 1980-2001) you're fans quit watching college football.
This post was edited on 6/13/10 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 6/13/10 at 8:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
fricking wikipedia. 
I guess I can't trust wiki. I'm on my phone and wiki says 17.4.
LINK
I'll
for now.
I guess I can't trust wiki. I'm on my phone and wiki says 17.4.
LINK
I'll
for now.Posted on 6/13/10 at 8:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
So all these people who own television use them to collect dust. Gotcha. Good grief man think before you post.
Posted on 6/13/10 at 8:33 pm to secfan123
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we are getting as much or more love than them after 2003
you define "delusional bama fan"
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Yeah they didn't have that for Alabama Florida this year (and last year too genius)
there was not a constant timer on ESPN this year for Bama-UF you fricking moron, and that was a conference title game, not a regular conference game
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How many have had DYNASTY on their picture after their first title. THAT is what was different genius.
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No, the proof is the DYNASTY plastered across the front.
you do realize they're just publishing shite so that you people will go and buy the mags, right?
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You can't possibly this stupid can you?
dude
go back
think about what you're typing, and then re-think that question
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Florida 09 was USC 05.
UF did not have 30 days straight with 5 minute segments proclaiming that they were the best team in the history of college football
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Neither Bush nor Leinhart got the pub or the love that Tebow has gotten in his career.
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NEVER did he come close to being proclaimed the best ollege football player of all time
yes he was
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Tennessee was one of th biggest names in the country in the late 90's early 2000's
and they still weren't a national program with national appeal
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You didn't know because when USC sucks (as they did from 1980-2001) you're fans quit watching college football.
wait
are you saying i'm a USC fan now?
Posted on 6/13/10 at 8:34 pm to RhodeIslandRed
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So all these people who own television use them to collect dust.
what the hell are you babbling about?
CFB is a niche market outside of a few programs who have national appeal
i have no idea what point you're trying to make
Posted on 6/13/10 at 8:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you define "delusional bama fan"
Why? Because you're memory sucks? USC DID NOT win all of the AP votes in 2003 and there were arguments as to whether they or LSU were better.
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there was not a constant timer on ESPN this year for Bama-UF you fricking moron, and that was a conference title game, not a regular conference game
They hyped that fricking game more tha they have any game they've had on ESPN you fricking moron (they began hyping it as soon as both teams clinched their divisions). The dynamic was the exact fricking same- winner goes to national title game.
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you do realize they're just publishing shite so that you people will go and buy the mags, right?
Why do you think they hyped USC? ame fricking reson.
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think about what you're typing, and then re-think that question
You compared the hype for Reggie Bush to the hype Tebow got and I'm supposed to re-think things? You've got to be shitting me.
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UF did not have 30 days straight with 5 minute segments proclaiming that they were the best team in the history of college football
Florida was hyped many times as the best in history this past off season you dumb frick.
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yes he was
NO, he wasn't
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and they still weren't a national program with national appeal
Okay, now you're just a retard. If you are an LSU fan, it wouldn't surprise me if you weren't watching college football in the 90's.
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wait
are you saying i'm a USC fan now?
Possibly LSU, see above conference.
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