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re: we gotta stop this permanent rivalry shite
Posted on 10/19/11 at 12:14 pm to PJinAtl
Posted on 10/19/11 at 12:14 pm to PJinAtl
quote:For this to be possible, wouldn't the SEC game have to provide more than twice the revenue of the cupcakes that would be in its place? I don't see that happening, at LSU anyway.
From a revenue standpoint, I posted in another thread that a 9th conference game is at least revenue neutral, and most likely revenue positive, over a powderpuff OOC game, even after taking into account that the 9th game would only be a home game every other year and the powderpuff would be an annual game.
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Posted on 10/19/11 at 12:18 pm to OneMoreTime
quote:Yes, but I think it would happen. Sell more tickets (how many pushover games sell out?) at a higher price (face value for a game vs Buffalo is $20-$30 less than for against an SEC opponent) and you don't have to pay the opposing school to come (I have seen some OOC teams paid $750k - $1 mil to be a sacrificial lamb).
For this to be possible, wouldn't the SEC game have to provide more than twice the revenue of the cupcakes that would be in its place? I don't see that happening, at LSU anyway.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 12:22 pm to PJinAtl
This is just something I pulled from an article in the Reveille, lsu's school newspaper:
quote:So, it really wouldn't be smart of us to want to go to a 9 game schedule.
An LSU home game played against a Bowl Championship Series team, like the University of Florida or West Virginia University, produces about $2.6 million after expenses, according to Verge Ausberry, senior associate athletics director. A home game against a non-BCS team, like Northwestern State University or McNeese State University, produces about $2.2 million after expenses.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 12:31 pm to OneMoreTime
Interesting numbers. I would love to see a full breakdown to see what is different from one to the other to bring them to such close numbers.
My only thought is, the tickets given to the visiting team given for little or no revenue (basically given as opposed to sold?) If so then I can see there being revenue offset there, as the little schools will return tickets and those can then be sold to home fans.
My only thought is, the tickets given to the visiting team given for little or no revenue (basically given as opposed to sold?) If so then I can see there being revenue offset there, as the little schools will return tickets and those can then be sold to home fans.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 12:31 pm to Govt Tide
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I don't give up because I'm struggling to understand how each SEC team keeping a permanent cross divisional game "substantially impacts the other teams we play".
and this is why i suggested a remedial math course for you. YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO UNDERSTAND. therefore, i do give up. closed minds make poor debate adversaries. maybe i'll get lucky and they will move LSU to the east division.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 12:33 pm to NOTORlOUSD
quote:I just recently came to the conclusion that OU is truly UT's little brother.
I still can't believe that Nebraska and OU gave up their permanent rivalry when the Big 8 expanded. That was on the level of Ohio State-Michigan or Miami-FSU at the time.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 12:37 pm to OneMoreTime
quote:
How about we just put bama and auburn in the east and throw vandy or Kentucky in the west with mizzou and call it quits.
or put LSU in the east and missouri in the west.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 12:43 pm to PJinAtl
quote:Me too. I may do a little digging later tonight to see if I can pull anything up, but I'm at work right now so I can't.
Interesting numbers. I would love to see a full breakdown to see what is different from one to the other to bring them to such close numbers.
quote:They're sold, but the price for them is lower than it would be for an sec school. And then yeah the returned tickets are sold to home fans.
My only thought is, the tickets given to the visiting team given for little or no revenue (basically given as opposed to sold?) If so then I can see there being revenue offset there, as the little schools will return tickets and those can then be sold to home fans.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 12:44 pm to LSU GrandDad
quote:what does this solve exactly?
or put LSU in the east and missouri in the west.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 1:01 pm to OneMoreTime
quote:
what does this solve exactly?
assuming an 8 game conference schedule, it solves MY BITCH with bama and auburn fans about MY RIVALRIES as LSU would then play UT, UGA and UF every year. admitedly a selfish solution, but isn't theirs selfish too? if LSU is a push over in this cross divisional spat, we are liable to end up with a permanent rivalry that puts us to sleep. the hype, the atmosphere, the national significance, the excitement , the challenge of playing florida every year is just not going to be replaced with playing usce or kentucky every year. granted, giving up alabama et al will be a loss but one i could live with easier than giving up more frequent games with the big 3 of the east. and going to see games in their cities beat the shite out of going to tuscaloosa and that village outside of montgomery. and as far as giving up the trips to oxford and starkvegas, well, that's perfectly OK with me too.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 5:08 pm to LSU GrandDad
Some of you can't seem to make up your d### mind. First, you were bitching about having to play Florida as a permanent cross division opponent. Many have suggested giving LSU the Kentucky or Vandy game instead and you bitch about that not being exciting enough. We're sorry that you guys don't have a natural rivalry. Don't penalize those teams that do have them though.
BTW, why the frick are you singling out Alabama is the whole reason for opposition to Missouri in the West or to the opposition to eliminating permanent cross divsion games? Have you not noticed that Tennessee, Auburn, and Georgia fans are very much against ending the permanent cross division game or are you just trolling Alabama fans for supporting something that at least 3 other schools are supporting?
BTW, why the frick are you singling out Alabama is the whole reason for opposition to Missouri in the West or to the opposition to eliminating permanent cross divsion games? Have you not noticed that Tennessee, Auburn, and Georgia fans are very much against ending the permanent cross division game or are you just trolling Alabama fans for supporting something that at least 3 other schools are supporting?
Posted on 10/19/11 at 5:32 pm to Govt Tide
Fwiw, I'm against permanent rivalries for the sole reason that if we keep them, then we'll play an east team at home every 12 or so years instead of the 6-7 years if we didn't have permanent rivalries.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 6:23 pm to OneMoreTime
quote:That's assuming that the schedule stays at 8 conference games per year, which imho is a big assumption. If it moves to 9 then you will see the other east teams in just about the same time frame as you do now. Would that be ok?
Fwiw, I'm against permanent rivalries for the sole reason that if we keep them, then we'll play an east team at home every 12 or so years instead of the 6-7 years if we didn't have permanent rivalries.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 6:42 pm to PJinAtl
I'm glad Florida is our permenent rival if we have to have one. I'd prefer more of a round robin but it is what it is and I'd be disappointed if the rival was Kentucky or Vandy or USC.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 8:38 pm to PJinAtl
quote:
If it moves to 9 then you will see the other east teams in just about the same time frame as you do now. Would that be ok?
It would be 6 years instead of the current 5. That is too much. 5 is the max it should be. Need to go to 9 and eliminate the x div.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 9:14 pm to signalizer
quote:
You can't schedule a conference team as an OOC opponent.
You can do anything you want with your open dates. You just need to remove the mental roadblocks dude.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 11:14 pm to PJinAtl
quote:Yeah, if we move to 9 then I'd be ok with the permanents.
That's assuming that the schedule stays at 8 conference games per year, which imho is a big assumption. If it moves to 9 then you will see the other east teams in just about the same time frame as you do now. Would that be ok?
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