re: The Big East has learned nothing

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Well you be the one to tell them that they're good enough to fight and die for our country but they're not good enough to play in a football game for a national championship.

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None of them are in one now, so obviously they have already been told.

BTW, I do love that the Big East is taking in Air Force for other reasons. I guess when they mean east, they mean east of California.

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tell them that they're good enough to fight and die for our country but they're not good enough to play in a football game for a national championship.

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THEY'RE NOT. The fact that they aren't currently in a BCS conference isn't what's stopped them from playing for the MNC or even appearing in a BCS game. Its their competition and record. Moving into the Big East and it keeping its AQ or not isn't going to magically put one of the academies in the MNC. I'd be willing to wager that within our lifetimes we will never see another academy win a national championship in football. Times have changed. The best football players do not play for the academies. For whatever reason, they do not want to sign a contract for 5 years of active duty and 3 years of reserve that they may not be able to get waived for a bit if they are good enough to go pro.

I respect them, but come on, they just haven't played very good football in quite awhile.

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If they win 9-10 games playing FBS they should get the same consideration for playing in a BCS bowl just like an SEC or B1G team would. The academies play a good schedule.

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Navy schedule so far:

Delaware (Win)
Western Kentucky (Win)
#11 South Carolina (Loss)
Air Force (Loss)
Southern Miss (Loss)
Rutgers
East Carolina
Notre Dame
Troy
SMU
San Jose State
Army

There are some good teams in there but they usually fall short against them. The rest of the schedule is filled with mid-to-lower level FBS teams. They play a decent schedule. Air Force seems to have a slightly better schedule but not by much. That's all different from playing an SEC, PAC-10, Big 12 or even Big 10 schedule.

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Plus they can play for the title in all other Division I sports. If they win 9-10 games and if they go unefeated they should have the same chance as any BCS school now.

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There are a lot of teams in FBS that get 9-10 wins. Are you seriously saying they should all be considered BCS eligible? Based on merit?

Also, they already have the opportunity to play in a BCS bowl. There are at-large bids. If by some astonishing development Navy or Air Force (or Army) go undefeated, I am sure the BCS will make room for them. Let them work to that point first before we say that bringing in the Service Academies should guarantee a conference AQ access to the BCS.

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if the BE deserved a BCS bid before, replacing Pitt/cuse, who never even won the BE, with Air Force, Boise State, Navy, UCF, and east carolina.

Tell me how the BE is weaker than before?

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Boise going to the Big East now?

Holy crap, they are almost as close to Japan as the East Coast

From a prestige standpoint, losing Pitt and Syracuse is a huge blow.

From a strictly football standpoint, I think Air Force and Navy have been better than Pitt and Syracuse in the last 10 years, in my opinion. South Carolina had to hang on for dear life to beat Navy, and this isn't one of Navy's better squads.

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Explain. Because I'm gonna refute your argument.

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What do you want me to tell you? Your football is complete dogshit.

There's high school teams that could beat most of your conference.

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Katy, Southlake, Smithson Valley in the 5A days, Midland Lee and Judson when they were big.. could take most non BCS teams and a few BCS.

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Unless this is hyperbole, you are a complete idiot. No high school could beat even a bad 1-AA team.

Even at the 1-AA, virtually all of their players were the best player on their team. Even on 5A powerhouses, only a handful get BCS scholarships. Many more go to the Div. 1-AA, Div. II, NAIA, or nowhere.

Take a bad 1-AA school, like Nicholls. Their juniors and seniors are 21+ years old, going against 16 and 17 year olds. It would be no contest. Any high school team would get skull-fricked.

It's just like the stupid argument about the best college teams, beating the worst NFL team. LSU or Alabama would get destroyed by the worst NFL team ever.