re: Texas almost guranteed to be in NC yearly now

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And for the love of God when did Texas get so good?

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currently around 1998

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Good lord, its not like Texas has lit up there crappy conference- they're still second fiddle to Oklahoma!

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as you pointed out, OU has been better, but Texas has in fact dominated the rest of the Big 12, they won 4 of the last 5 with OU, including 08 when OU went to the Big 12 CG despite losing to UT. This was the correct call based on Big 12 rules, but if the SEC 3 team tie breaker had been in place Texas would have gone. And BTW, Texas has 3 Big 12 titles, Mack Brown has 2 of them.

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They even claim the 1964 NC when they lost their bowl game and Arkansas ran the table undefeated. That was back in the day when they voted a NC before the bowls.

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And Oklahoma, you dumb frick, lost to Bear Bryant's Kentucky squad in 1950 sugar bowl and still claims THAT title. They also Claim the title given them in 1974 when they were on probation and even though THEY DIDN'T EVEN PLAY in a bowl game.

By the way, I was referring to rose bowls pre-1950 (first year of both polls- should have been clearer)

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but its not like they were winning conference titles or anything

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For the record, SWC title scoreboard (not counting split titles)

Baylor 4, Tech 0.

Neither won a Big 12 title. Tech was a logical get given that they were also a public school, but people also forget that TCU was in the dumps in the 80s and 90s, only having 3 winning seasons in the SWC's last 10. and their last great year was wiped out due to cheating. And THAT was the issue - Baylor and Tech were the two schools, other than hapless Rice, who weren't under NCAA probation.

Yes, BU would be CUSA or MWC bound, like TCU or Houston was, in the event Texas bolts. But Texas hasn't looked out for BU before, and won't in the future. But, look at Drukenstein's post, insisting that BU would be lucky to even get the CUSA bid.

The issue is not political manuevering, it is that BU's football program drove into a ditch in the mid 1990s.

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For the record, SWC title scoreboard (not counting split titles)

Baylor 4, Tech 0.

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Tech was a non factor until the 90's i think, but when was Baylor's last SWC title? ETA: looks like 1980, played Bama in cotton Bowl.
Last really good Baylor team I remember was 85 when they basically curbstomped LSU in the Liberty Bowl (didn't you perserve that epic thread?)

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But Texas hasn't looked out for BU before, and won't in the future.

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no question about that, They will only do what;s best for them unless forced via politics.

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maybe not, he coached in the deep south in the 60's and 70's. It really wasn't until Mack Brown that UTexas did well recruiting urban black kids

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That was last, not first, it was a typo ('a' got left out)

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Everyone does that, they gave out the NC before the bowls for a long time, so its not claiming anything, it was a legit NC.

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I'm not arguing with you on that, but you might want to tell some fellow posters.

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The thing Bama seems to do is count any poll that ranked them #1, after 1936 when the AP started, really only the AP and coaches (originally UPI) are the ones that matter.

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Bama does that with only 1, 1941. Four were caimed pre poll (25, 26, 30 & 34 all four after undefeated seasons and three Rose Bowl wins and One tie). The other 8 were all given out by AP, UPI, or BCS (61, AP and UPI, 64, AP and UPI, 65, AP, 73, UPI, 78, AP, 79, AP, UPI 92, AP & coaches) and 09, AP and BCS.

In addition to the thirteen we claim, we do not count four others that have been awrded to us by other agencies(one in 45, 66, 75 and 77). As stated earlier, 41 is the only poll era title we laim where we were not awarded a poll title (and no, I don't think we should claim it)

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I'm guessing you know enough football history to know people used to give out the NCs before the bowl games - the bowls were not a consideration, more of an exhibition

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I know that. I was responding to the poster complaining about Bama winning the 64 title but losing their bowl game (while insinuating other teams like Oklahoma did not do that). Oklahoma won the 1950 title, but lost to Kentucky in the bowl game the same as Alabama lost to Texas in 64 bowl game.

Other title teams that have lost their bowl game (but still claim the a poll title) include:

1951 Tennessee
1953 MArylnd
1960 Minnesota
1965 Michigan state
1970 Texas

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Didn't even notice, so I know what you meant. Lets not pretend that Bama or the rest of the SEC was fully integrated by 1970 or didn't have all white teams until at best a couple of years before that.

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Alabama signed its first black scholarship in the spring of 1970 (Wilbur Jackson, from Carrol High in Ozark Alabama) and were fully integrated by our next national championship in 1970.

I was using Integration as a marker. We could be a little more generous to Texas and use two platoon football as a marker. Two platoon footall changed the game more than anything (including integration) since the invention of the forward pass. Using that as a marker, Texas has three national titles since then, which still rank behind Alabama, Miami, Nebraska, Oklahoma and USC and ties them with Ohio State, Notre Dame and Florida (though to be fair, one of their titles, 1966, is right on the border, and would push them to 4 and ahead of Texas were it to b inluded; I still hate that title wasn't given to Alabama, strictly becuase Notre Dame played for a tie instead of the win)

I know 09 only counts as one (and yes 73) I just listed years titles were given and which titles (some years were obviously splits, like 73 and 78)

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I know 09 only counts as one

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just giving you a hard time, lighten up Francis

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I was using Integration as a marker.

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for Texas prehaps, buts it disengenous at best for a fan of Alabama, a state where dogs and fire hoses were used on peaceful demonstators a few years before 1970 and whose governor vowed to stand in front of the school with an ax rather than intergrate to be critizing another southern team for not having a black player a year or 2 later.

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Using that as a marker, Texas has three national titles since then, which still rank behind Alabama, Miami, Nebraska, Oklahoma and USC and ties them with Ohio State, Notre Dame and Florida (

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The CFBDatawarehouse ranks Texas 7th all time, not a perfect system but overall pretty fair, so they are behind some teams with more titles and ahead of others. I don't see your point. No one is claiming Texas is the best CFB program either historically or even currently.

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Florida (though to be fair, one of their titles, 1966, is right on the border, and would push them to 4 and ahead of Texas were it to b inluded

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Florida? In 1966? They were 9-2 before the bowls. It was my understanding they didn't even win the SEC until SOS got there.

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Title we shouldn't claim;
41

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I don't know anything about that, but 78 is pretty lame, I know its legit since you were #1 in one poll, but most Bama fans I've known would bitch to holy hell if the tables were reversed.