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re: TAMU sticks out like a sore thumb
Posted on 8/22/11 at 1:40 pm to Hubbhogg
Posted on 8/22/11 at 1:40 pm to Hubbhogg
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Look buddy, all you've done is make yourself look like more of an arse with each post
I'm the one offering examples and aksing legit, non hypothetical questions. You are resorting to ad homienim attacks and not answering.
The ole, you're too stupid for me to explain it to repsonse is just another way of saying, you know you have no point and can't explain it.
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I've got A&M fans agreeing with me here, maybe that should've been a clue to just stop.
1 A&M fan agreed with you and he's wrong.
I don't need a clue, I've explained why you are wrong, and your only response is asking if Boise would be ranked if they were in the SEC.
Now, I've asked a simple question, if the voters base rankings on how easy it is for a team to go undefeated vs their schedule, why is LSU ranked in the top 4 the schedule we have? We play #2 and #3 away from home and a total of 7 ranked teams. Based on your theory of preseason polls we should be ranked no higher than #15.
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Posted on 8/22/11 at 1:46 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Now, I've asked a simple question, if the voters base rankings on how easy it is for a team to go undefeated vs their schedule, why is LSU ranked in the top 4 the schedule we have? We play #2 and #3 away from home and a total of 7 ranked teams. Based on your theory of preseason polls we should be ranked no higher than #15.
I just responded to this in my last post. You have more talent than anybody except maybe Bama. Your coach is mildly retarded thus the reason you're not #1 and are #4.
They are figuring you split Bama/Oregon and win out. They overlook your game vs. us b/c we play @ BR. That's fine, they should look at it that way.
So in pollsters eyes you end the season with one loss, probably to Bama and you make the Sugar bowl as at large berth.
ETA: And while you don't play Oregon in BR, you play them in Arlington and will probably have 75% of the crowd in your favor. You should win this game. IMO you lose b/c of your subpar coach.
And if you don't think this is how pollsters look at things for preseason rankings then I don't know what else to tell you.
This post was edited on 8/22/11 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 8/22/11 at 2:02 pm to Hubbhogg
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You have more talent than anybody except maybe Bama
In other words, they look at the quality of the team and not the schedule.
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They are figuring you split Bama/Oregon and win out. They overlook your game vs. us b/c we play @ BR. That's fine, they should look at it that way.
So in pollsters eyes you end the season with one loss, probably to Bama and you make the Sugar bowl as at large berth.
that's a good theory and all, but do you have anything to back that up, like you know actual voters saying that's why they rank teams where they do.
The bottom line, we are top 4 because of the talent and the reputation of the program, the schedule is secondary. We would not have been ranked this high 10 years ago.
I suspect having a new QB has more to do with Ark being ranked below A&M, rather than pollsters actually going down each schedule week by week and projecting wins and loses. You give those guys way too much credit if you think that's what they do.
Look at LSU in 2003 for example. There is no way this team is more talented than that one and the 03 schedule was much, much easier. We simply did not have the rep yet and were coming off a subpar 2002. Those factors are what drive preseason rankings.
This post was edited on 8/22/11 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 8/22/11 at 2:05 pm to Hubbhogg
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And while you don't play Oregon in BR, you play them in Arlington and will probably have 75% of the crowd in your favor
not as tough as playing them at Oregon, but still not a home game.
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You should win this game. IMO you lose b/c of your subpar coach.
you like nice, simple reasons, but things are much more complex than that. Oregon is a very good team, they played Auburn a lot closer than either of us did last year and have a lot of guys back.
Before this week, I figured we win, while Les has his flaws, in games with lots of time to prepare, he's done very well. After these distractions and possibly installing a new QB, I'm not sure now how it will go.
Posted on 8/22/11 at 2:09 pm to H-Town Tiger
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You give those guys way too much credit if you think that's what they do.
It's there job. I could look at everyone schedule and rank teams if that was my job. It would probably be close to these. I would probably have Arkansas and LSU both about where they are b/c of reps/schedules/talent etc.
Look, I realize you know a lot about football, we just have different views on how preseason polls are constructed.
I just don't think A&M would be ranked in the top 10 if they had to play LSU/Bama/Auburn/Missst/Hogs/+3 eastern teams to boot. Hell Ole Miss could beat them if the cards fell right.
Posted on 8/22/11 at 2:24 pm to Hubbhogg
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It's there job
not to disagree with everything you say
Buts it not really their job. Most of them cover certain teams, that's their job.
Just as another for example, a few years back i took the Houston Chronilces preseson NFL picks and added up all the wins and losses. ( I know, I need to get out more
) anyway, there are 32 teams playing 16 games. So the win loss total for all the teams, has to be 256-256, yet it wasn't, they were projecting more than 256 wins. I want to check Mike and Mike, but don't know if they list their final projections somewhere on line. I don't think these guys are as maticulious as you seem to think. And it really doesn't matter, because it will play out over the course of the season. Posted on 8/22/11 at 2:30 pm to H-Town Tiger
Honestly, they shouldn't even have preseason polls b/c certain teams (Notre Dame) get put waaaayyy to high every year while other teams get hurt by them.
I've done the beat the hosts pick em against Inside the NFL the last two years and whipped their asses FWIW.
I've done the beat the hosts pick em against Inside the NFL the last two years and whipped their asses FWIW.
Posted on 8/22/11 at 2:34 pm to Hubbhogg
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I just don't think A&M would be ranked in the top 10 if they had to play LSU/Bama/Auburn/Missst/Hogs/+3 eastern teams to boot. Hell Ole Miss could beat them if the cards fell right.
For that matter, they could beat anyone of those teams if the cards fell right. Look at last year, they beat OU and NU at home. They most certainly could have beaten anyone form the SEC, except Auburn probably, if they played them at CS, especially late in the year.
Depending on who they drew from the East and their extra OOC game, they would be playing maybe 2 more ranked teams they right now. So maybe that gives them an extra loss, but SEC teams usually get ranked higher than Big 12 teams with the same amount of loses.
Posted on 8/22/11 at 2:37 pm to Hubbhogg
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Honestly, they shouldn't even have preseason polls b/c certain teams (Notre Dame) get put waaaayyy to high every year while other teams get hurt by them
Nah, it all shakes out in the end. Auburn and Oregon started behind TCU (and Boise) last year and both passed them when it mattered.
Posted on 8/22/11 at 2:42 pm to H-Town Tiger
If they do indeed join we will find out how they fare soon enough. I know it took us awhile to adjust (doesn't help having shitty coaches along the way). You just don't have cupcake conference games, every week is a battle and that takes its toll.
Posted on 8/22/11 at 4:51 pm to jlc05
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Maybe you are right. Their engineering pgms far outrank most of those at SEC schools.
I know a mechanical engineering professor at TAMU who graduated from LSU.... Just saying.
This post was edited on 8/22/11 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 8/22/11 at 7:24 pm to Hubbhogg
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Ive done the beat the hosts pick em
That's not what I meant. I mean they pick the record of each team and playoffs etc. For example NE 12-4, NYJ 10-6, Buff 8-8, Miami 6-10 etc for all 32 teams. Now there can not be more than 256 wins, the total of wins for the league will = .500, but if you add the wins for some of these projections you find they have more wins than loses, which is not possible. The point is, I don't think they are going down schedules and saying well Team X will win this many games as carefully as you are thinking.
Posted on 8/22/11 at 7:39 pm to H-Town Tiger
ESPN loves us and hate to break the news to the over rated TAMU team. Get ready for 0-3 douches and then talk.....
This post was edited on 8/22/11 at 7:58 pm
Posted on 8/22/11 at 8:04 pm to HawgAlude
There is a solid chance you are < 17 years old
Posted on 8/22/11 at 8:10 pm to HawgAlude
It hurts your head that Arkansas has beaten A&M twice and we are top 10 while y'all are not. You can't stand it can you?
Posted on 8/22/11 at 8:18 pm to Big Kat
can't stand what?
that we play in the SEC
You the Big 12
We have three cupcakes and then Bama
You have some more challenges early on
Lets see what the rankings are in 3 weeks and not what some imagery pre season poll says.
Who cares if TAMU is rated 8th right now. LSU is top 5 but they have issues of their own to deal with. I like our chances to make a good run this year and so do the ESPN analysts you did the SEC preview.
that we play in the SEC
You the Big 12
We have three cupcakes and then Bama
You have some more challenges early on
Lets see what the rankings are in 3 weeks and not what some imagery pre season poll says.
Who cares if TAMU is rated 8th right now. LSU is top 5 but they have issues of their own to deal with. I like our chances to make a good run this year and so do the ESPN analysts you did the SEC preview.
Posted on 8/22/11 at 8:24 pm to HawgAlude
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imagery
Come on man
Posted on 8/22/11 at 8:26 pm to Sao
I can't help it if this forum needs a spell checker,
Big Kat is in need of a league to join, the Sun Belt perhaps.
Big Kat is in need of a league to join, the Sun Belt perhaps.
Posted on 8/22/11 at 8:37 pm to HawgAlude
Dude, you spelled imagery correctly. The word you were looking for is imaginary.
Posted on 8/22/11 at 8:41 pm to Sao
yeah well my iphone is a little jerky and ATT sucks
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