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re: So let me get this straight--TEXAS is the bad guy?
Posted on 8/15/11 at 5:00 pm to xiv
Posted on 8/15/11 at 5:00 pm to xiv
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but Florida or Bama having their own network would be destructive to the conference
Why?
a conference is a membership all 12 teams have agreed to be a part of. If Bama and or Florida demanded a larger share of the revenue, or made extra money on their own, they would be better off finacially, but would they if the rest of the league became weaker? While those teams may get better ratings and be a better draw on TV, they would not be there playing only intrasquad games or games vs UAB and Stetson. They certainly make way more than Vandy and UK anyway because they sell more, probably more expensive tickets, get more donations etc. They benefit from being in a stronger conference.
BTW, communism/socialism is about force, they are not synonomuos with sharing or cooperation.
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Posted on 8/15/11 at 5:00 pm to xiv
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My point exactly. They're all just as evil as the next. Texas isn't the bad guy; they're a bad guy. So is A&M, OU, NU, etc...
If your point is that everyone is acting in their own self interest, I agree.
However, the conference needs to balance each school's self interest if there's to be any point in having a conference. When the conference allows (or is impotent to stop) one member from forming their own TV network, then some members of the conference are bound to get upset and start seeking out greener pastures. Acting in their own self interests.
Case in point: revenue sharing in the NFL. If it were up to Jerry Jones, each team would keep what is rightfully theirs. It would clearly be in his team's best interest. But the other owners (small market teams) were powerful enough to get some form of revenue sharing put into the CBA.
This post was edited on 8/15/11 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 8/15/11 at 5:04 pm to pdxlsufan
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Case in point: revenue sharing in the NFL. If it were up to Jerry Jones, each team would keep what is rightfully theirs. It would clearly be in his teams' best interest. But the other owners (small market teams) were powerful enough to get some form of revenue sharing put into the CBA.
That is a good analogy. If Jerry signed his own deal with Telemundo to televise Cowboys games and refused to show his team on away games unless the game was shown on the Telemundo Cowboys channel, the rest of the NFL would be pissed off. It would also effectively squash the ability for the NFL to create an NFL channel that would be mutually beneficial for all league members.
Posted on 8/15/11 at 5:05 pm to Amp4LSU
quote:It behooves every individual SEC member to adhere to the SEC's current agreement.
i hope you're referring only to the Big12 and not lumping the SEC in there. that is simply not true for the SEC.
quote:Come on, man. Texas is going to be fine. People have been saying for decades that one day Texas is going to be left out in the cold, and nobody is gonna want to play with them, etc...it's silly. Talk to some Hog fans once in a while if you want a laugh. "They thought they could live without us when we left the SWC. We showed them!" Sure you did, Arkansas. You've enjoyed nothing but success on the field, and Texas hasn't accomplished anything since you left. Brilliant point, Hogs.
Texas is taking the approach of me-me-me, which in the long-term, is going to leave them with no conference, or traveling to the West Coast for every away game, with no true rivalry's, and will slip into the category with the Pac12 of no one caring what goes on over there.
Texas will be fine, they'll be elite more often than not, and nothing's going to change that.
And A&M will still play them, and all the other Texas schools will be waiting by the phone for Texas to call and set up a home/away.
Posted on 8/15/11 at 5:06 pm to xiv
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But Texas--the team that has stayed, is somehow the cause of instability in the Big 12. Riiiiiiiiiight...
Texas tried to leave, but couldn't quite pull off the Pac 16 idea, in part because A&M wasn't sold on the idea and the B1G would not let them have their own network.
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For A&M, CU, and NU to cast a bad light on Texas as the bully and the villain is like KMart, Target, and Safeway calling Wal-Mart a big, evil corporation
WalMart was never in a conference with those other stores, they do not need those other stores to survive. UT can not get TV deals by playing intersquad games only. They need other teams to play. They want the benefits of being in a conference and being an indy. They know as an Indy, they can only get a BCS at large bid, but in a BCS conference you have 2 shots at a BCS: winning the conference or an at large.
Posted on 8/15/11 at 5:08 pm to H-Town Tiger
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If Bama and or Florida demanded a larger share of the revenue, or made extra money on their own, they would be better off finacially, but would they if the rest of the league became weaker?
I posted this already, but this happens in the SEC. UF has its own deal with SunSports that brings in $10 mil/year that is not shared. Nothing stops schools from selling certain rights to other 3rd tier networks.
This post was edited on 8/15/11 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 8/15/11 at 5:10 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:There will always be teams to play.
UT can not get TV deals by playing intersquad games only. They need other teams to play.
quote:And they'll have it. Watch.
They want the benefits of being in a conference and being an indy.
I don't remember if I said it or not, the resentment for Texas is overstated. Of the 19 schools that have ever been in a conference with Texas, the only ones who do not want to wake up tomorrow in the same conference with Texas are the ones who have better deals elsewhere (CU, NU, Ark, A&M) (or at least think they have a better deal elsewhere).
This post was edited on 8/15/11 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 8/15/11 at 5:13 pm to xiv
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That's pretty much why I don't think the Big 12 is doomed
I disagree with this whole logic. You have the most powerful football conference next door to a team that wants no part. No matter what happens, the SEC will always have more say/power than UT. UT is the big fish in a bigger pond- if they go independant or somehow manage a BIG 8+ Houston or some smaller school, it still weakens their position. Now UT will have to fight an SEC school in the same state for TV viewership and recruits. Not to mention their deal with ESPN would be in jeopardy. UT would be dumb to stand idle and watch either it get raided by more powerful conferences or watch it diminish by adding the mighty Houston Cougars, BYU or Air Force. Then what happens as secondary and tertiary consequences? What happens if the SEC woos an ACC team/Mizzou/OU? It'd be a free for all and UT would either go to the Pac-12 or become an independant. The LHN won't stand if they go to the PAC-12, so they'd have to drag their LHN baggage with them. I can guarantee you that if OU/Mizzou leave the Big 12 is done.
Posted on 8/15/11 at 5:15 pm to NYNolaguy1
NYNolaguy1, it's possible you're right; I don't see it playing out that way, though.
Legends. September 3. Be there.
Legends. September 3. Be there.
Posted on 8/15/11 at 5:16 pm to bgator85
Holy crap, he's right:
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Of course, many Florida State fans are also irked that Sun Sports has become the "Gator Network." The network pays UF $10 million a year to be the Gators' exclusive multi-media rights holder. What that means is this: The Gators get the $10 million and Sun Sports gets all of Florida's radio and Internet rights, advertising, signage at games, etc.
Posted on 8/15/11 at 5:16 pm to xiv
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ust because they're rich doesn't mean they're evil, you liberal commie bastards.
Interesting contradiction. My guess is that most of the people slamming UT for doing what is in its best interest are ironically the same ones who would stick up for any other business or corporation in a different scenario.
I guess they are just liberals when it comes to football?
Posted on 8/15/11 at 5:16 pm to xiv
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There will always be teams to play.
yep, so why is UT working so hard to keep A&M from jumping to the SEC and the Big 12 together? Must be their deep concern for Baylor, TT, ISU etc and not because they know it will be harder to get a BCS bowl as an Indy playing ND, BYU and a bunch of goats.
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And they'll have it. Watch
Good for them. If they are so benevolent, why don't they let A&M go if they want? Why are they working with lobbists from Baylor to stop A&M from going/threatening to sue?
Ultimately I think they want to be in the Pac 16 or B1G.
Posted on 8/15/11 at 5:18 pm to GerryDiNardo
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Case in point: revenue sharing in the NFL. If it were up to Jerry Jones, each team would keep what is rightfully theirs. It would clearly be in his teams' best interest. But the other owners (small market teams) were powerful enough to get some form of revenue sharing put into the CBA.
That is a good analogy. If Jerry signed his own deal with Telemundo to televise Cowboys games and refused to show his team on away games unless the game was shown on the Telemundo Cowboys channel, the rest of the NFL would be pissed off. It would also effectively squash the ability for the NFL to create an NFL channel that would be mutually beneficial for all league members.
Liberal commie bastard.
J/k man
Posted on 8/15/11 at 5:19 pm to TxTiger82
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I guess they are just liberals when it comes to football
sad they people do not see the difference between government force and voluntary cooperation.
No one resents UT being "rich". Schools that are in volunatary conferences with them do not like some of their demands and are seeking other options.
Posted on 8/15/11 at 5:20 pm to xiv
If Texas goes independent, they will almost certainly have the same deal ND has. Nine wins and in.
Posted on 8/15/11 at 5:21 pm to xiv
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Of the 19 schools that have ever been in a conference with Texas, the only ones who do not want to wake up tomorrow in the same conference with Texas are the ones who have better deals elsewhere (CU, NU, Ark, A&M) (or at least think they have a better deal elsewhere).
you mean the ones that have options and aren't dependent on UT
Posted on 8/15/11 at 5:21 pm to H-Town Tiger
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sad they people do not see the difference between government force and voluntary cooperation.
The conference is a coercive force just like a government. We came together to form a nation state just as the teams in the SEC came together to form a conference.
Posted on 8/15/11 at 5:23 pm to TxTiger82
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f Texas goes independent, they will almost certainly have the same deal ND has. Nine wins and in.
Maybe, but its still easier to get in as a bcs conference member.
Posted on 8/15/11 at 5:26 pm to H-Town Tiger
True. I don't think Texas wants that. I think they will try to keep their easy conference together, so either them or OU gets the BCS bid almost every year.
It will be interesting to see who they invite. I read something that claimed Houston wants in badly, and that A&M has been blocking Houston's efforts.
My guess is they'll invite Houston and TCU for sure. Whether TCU accepts is a different story. I think they are pissed at UT, too.
It will be interesting to see who they invite. I read something that claimed Houston wants in badly, and that A&M has been blocking Houston's efforts.
My guess is they'll invite Houston and TCU for sure. Whether TCU accepts is a different story. I think they are pissed at UT, too.
Posted on 8/15/11 at 5:26 pm to TxTiger82
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If Texas goes independent, they will almost certainly have the same deal ND has. Nine wins and in.
Exactly, Texas is one of a handful of teams in the country that could get that deal and the BCS would be falling all over themselves on the way to hooking them up with it.
This post was edited on 8/15/11 at 5:28 pm
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