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re: So let me get this straight--TEXAS is the bad guy?

Posted on 8/15/11 at 6:12 am to
Posted by vatek
Culpeper, VA
Member since Jul 2007
1828 posts
Posted on 8/15/11 at 6:12 am to
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Don't like their network? Then beat 'em at football and stfu and stop being gaywads about it.


This
Posted by TejasHorn
High Plains Driftin'
Member since Mar 2007
11587 posts
Posted on 8/15/11 at 6:39 am to
Of course I agree with OP.

As far as travel issues in the PAC, Texas would be part of an expanded "east" division. The scenarios I've seen show 1 road trip to the west coast a year. And WTF is wrong with a long weekend in Seattle or the bay area? I digress but the travel won't be that bad. The B1G scenarios I've seen wont go over as well. Texas does not belong in the B1G.
Posted by Big Kat
Member since Feb 2009
5910 posts
Posted on 8/15/11 at 7:11 am to
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Of course they do. A&M agreed to stay in the conference for 10 years. If they pledge to leave now, that would make them a pack of liars, right?


A&M never signed that contract!
Posted by Big Kat
Member since Feb 2009
5910 posts
Posted on 8/15/11 at 7:14 am to
vatek, we did beat UTa last year. And 3 of the last five. And in my nearly 30 years of being alive we have a winning record against UTa.

But, what does that have to do with long term stability? The SEC/Big 10/Pac-12 aren't going anywhere. The Big XII is on death row
Posted by Big Kat
Member since Feb 2009
5910 posts
Posted on 8/15/11 at 7:19 am to
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Slightly off-subject, but it's commonly believed that Nebraska left because of Texas, right? Then answer me this: Was there ever a time when Nebraska would have said "no" to a Big Ten invite? And was there ever a Big Ten invite before?


Sure, when the Big XII formed NU would have chosen Big XII over B10. But I'm sure that was never discussed anyway. It didn't take long for Tom Osbourne to start hating the way Texas ran the conference, or the fact that Texas ran the conference! So they explored options and left
Posted by ToplessTenors4evuh
Member since Jan 2005
41258 posts
Posted on 8/15/11 at 7:21 am to
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quote: Don't like their network? Then beat 'em at football and stfu and stop being gaywads about it.




That is such a silly argument that has nothing to do with football. Texas can go 0-12 the next three years and still have the financial power to do whatever they want. Their endowment, and their school is so much richer than larger than the other big XIO schools, and it has little to do with football.
Posted by Big Kat
Member since Feb 2009
5910 posts
Posted on 8/15/11 at 7:26 am to
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There's nothing wrong with starting a tv network. The LHN is exposing the envy of a lot of schools. "Oh no--they thought of something before we did, and it might benefit them! That makes them bad!!!! ZOMG!!!!!"


First, a TV network weakens the conference. A Big XII channel is not worth as much if Texas has excluded itself.

Second, they had/have intent to air HS athletic competitions. An unfair recruiting advantage and should be a NCAA violation

Third, they agreed they could have 1 non-conf game on the network. At the same time they were signing a contract to try and have at minimum 2 games and year. They then tried to get a conference game on the channel by paying Fox Sports for the rights to a 2nd tier game with Tech. Trying to bribe Tech to accept by paying them
$5 million to air Tech/UNM two years in a row on LHN.

They have no intentions of stopping their greed. They have no intention to be a willing, equal conference member.
Posted by Dice
Dallas, TX
Member since Nov 2007
896 posts
Posted on 8/15/11 at 7:46 am to
quote:

So let me get this straight--TEXAS is the bad guy?

Yes
quote:

But TEXAS is the cause of the Big 12's instability. The school who, if they did leave, was to take more than half the remaining conference with them, is the bad guy.

A big YES

Mizzu and Nebraska were sick and tired of fighting texas at every turn in the Big 12 and tired of an uneven partnership (in regards to revenue share, location of Big 12 offices, etc). They wanted something more like what we have in the SEC or the Big 10.

It's not biting anyone in their arse right now. The SEC simply doesn’t want to be the bad guy in all of this and the cause for realignment or be at fault of any legal issues. Once A&M leaves the Big 12 and applies for membership to SEC – SEC will vote them in. UT made a huge mistake in starting the LHN – they could have said let’s start a Big 12 network knowing good and well that a majority of the coverage could/ would be centered around UT – because they are the big gorilla in that conference. Instead they made it all about them and possibly shot themselves in the foot with the LHN.
Posted by Chitter Chatter
In and Out of Consciousness
Member since Sep 2009
4664 posts
Posted on 8/15/11 at 8:34 am to
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A&M and UT are like a fricked up marriage. You make a commitment and both parties are receiving some benefit. Then, 2 months after the wedding, the husband (Texas) runs off and starts screwing the hottest girl on the block (ESPN). The wife (A&M) gets mad and wants to leave, and then the husband says "If you fricking leave, i am going to sue the shite out of you and tell your next husband that you have AIDS".


That is very well put. A&M is the only school that has stood up to Texas and said, "frick you". Maybe they've had to sit back down after saying it for now but no one else is doing it now. Nebraska did and so did Colorado. OU is sitting on their hands and they have more clout to get something done than A&M.
Posted by zack7552
Lawton, OK
Member since Jul 2008
3965 posts
Posted on 8/15/11 at 9:16 am to
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Why get pissed when they can start the Aggie Network that will be just as awesome? And the Bear Network and the Red Raider Network and the Sooner Network and the Poke Network and the Jayhawk Network and the Wildcat Network and the Mizzou Network and the 'Clone Network? What's keeping those schools from doing like Texas and capitalizing on all their success?


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There's nothing wrong with starting a tv network. The LHN is exposing the envy of a lot of schools.

"Oh no--they thought of something before we did, and it might benefit them! That makes them bad!!!! ZOMG!!!!!"

Don't like their network? Then beat 'em at football and stfu and stop being gaywads about it.


Come on. Do you really believe that? The LHN will be a huge recruiting advantage. Texas will be capitalizing on it's huge population to steer kids to their school. TAMU is simply standing up for itself. If you do that, we're out. Simple and understandable. Plus, I bet LSU fans will get a little upset the first time a Texas-committed LA athlete is showcased on the LHN.

I know college recruiting isn't exactly "fair," but it is supposed to be. We're going to enforce rules about a kid getting a free pair of shoes, but it's ok for Texas to showcase them on TV. This is still college, not the NFL.
Posted by LSUisjustOK
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2011
3506 posts
Posted on 8/15/11 at 9:19 am to
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and for fans like me who go to every road game, that would be a major burden to make that many flights a year. and miss that much work.


Do you know how long of a drive it is from Austin to Boulder? The SEC is just about the only conference with reasonable driving distances to every venue.
Posted by jacks40
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
11877 posts
Posted on 8/15/11 at 9:27 am to
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But TEXAS is the cause of the Big 12's instability


yes unequal revenue sharing leads to instability like this.

doesn't mean they are the bad guys, they are doing whats best for them. Just like Neb. and Col. did and A&M is trying.

No bad guys just a whole bunch of self-interested parties, who are messing with something(CFB) that fans feel they have a proprietary interest in
Posted by xiv
Parody. #AdminsRule
Member since Feb 2004
39508 posts
Posted on 8/15/11 at 1:53 pm to
quote:

quote:
Of course they do. A&M agreed to stay in the conference for 10 years. If they pledge to leave now, that would make them a pack of liars, right?



A&M never signed that contract!
...and therefore, they're effectively holding it over the conference's collective head that they might leave. But UT is the reason for instability. Can't argue with that logic.
Posted by xiv
Parody. #AdminsRule
Member since Feb 2004
39508 posts
Posted on 8/15/11 at 1:55 pm to
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vatek, we did beat UTa last year. And 3 of the last five. And in my nearly 30 years of being alive we have a winning record against UTa.
This is why I hate UT. Most sips (I'm using the word now) think they own A&M, and I'm sure most of them don't know the facts quoted above.
Posted by xiv
Parody. #AdminsRule
Member since Feb 2004
39508 posts
Posted on 8/15/11 at 1:56 pm to
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Texas can go 0-12 the next three years and still have the financial power to do whatever they want. Their endowment, and their school is so much richer than larger than the other big XIO schools, and it has little to do with football.

Right. THAT'S the problem. Texas is the rich kid, and the not-so-rich kids are sick with envy.
Posted by LSU Rules07
Member since Oct 2007
1253 posts
Posted on 8/15/11 at 2:07 pm to
XIV - The problem with the Big 12 is you have 1 team that has a large majority of the wealth and power. If that wasnt bad enough they are starting a network just for themselves so that they can become even more wealthy and even more powerful. Its only natural that teams are wanting to get away from that. Texas should just go independent because thats obviously what they want.
Posted by Big Kat
Member since Feb 2009
5910 posts
Posted on 8/15/11 at 2:09 pm to
Texas has a huge advantage in the all-time record. But people claim we can't sustain success against them. We beat them 10 out of 11 seasons from 1984-1994. That's pretty good chunk of years. But somehow people think that is unattainable to do again

(that one loss was by 1 point also. 28-27 in Austin)
Posted by LSU Rules07
Member since Oct 2007
1253 posts
Posted on 8/15/11 at 2:09 pm to
Who is texas going to play once they alienate all the other schools in CFB?
Posted by AAM02
Member since Jun 2010
835 posts
Posted on 8/15/11 at 2:13 pm to
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Right. THAT'S the problem. Texas is the rich kid, and the not-so-rich kids are sick with envy.



The real problem here is that the Big XII is run by a commissioner that's showing favoritism to a single school. No one wants to be a part of that. I'm an Aggie and I have zero problems with the longhorns having their own network. That's fine. They want to show potential recruits on that network? Not cool. They want to show Big XII conference games on their own network, forcing smaller schools to subscribe to the Longhorn Network in order to watch their own team play, and endure biased announcers? Not cool. The big problem was that our Big XII commissioner didn't see a problem with either of these things. The dude gave the longhorns a green light on both points, and it wasn't until A&M raised hell that some hands were slapped. It's a dead conference walking at this point, and that's a result of weak leadership.
Posted by LSU Rules07
Member since Oct 2007
1253 posts
Posted on 8/15/11 at 2:17 pm to
i totally agree. The big 9 commish is just praying that UT lets him collect a check for a little bit longer. He better start looking for another job.
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