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re: quit saying ACC teams are out!
Posted on 9/18/11 at 5:09 pm to lsu777
Posted on 9/18/11 at 5:09 pm to lsu777
Just use your common sense. If it hasn't happened before this weekend, with the weakening of both the big 12 and big east imminent, why would the SEC go through paying millions of dollars (according to your theory of them paying the buyout) plus the possibility of lawsuits of poaching the ACC when they can easily add some valuable teams from elsewhere? The weakening mof the big east and the strengthening of the ACC if anything solidifies the fact that SEC next members will be from the big east, big 12, or lower. In other words, if an ACC defector was a possibility, it would have already happened.
This post was edited on 9/18/11 at 5:13 pm
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Posted on 9/18/11 at 5:14 pm to lsu777
quote:Sure. Just plan on a buy-out surcharge added onto each SEC game ticket you buy for the rest of your life.
This is chump change and the SEC will help pay the fee if they have to.
Posted on 9/18/11 at 5:14 pm to TulaneUVA
I think that the ACC is completely stable, but if VT wanted to leave for the SEC would that cause any pressure or hard feelings for them politically? I recall that UVA had to throw considerable weight to get them into the ACC (which preferred Syracuse), but I really don't think that they are tied together and I'm not sure how upset UVA would be if VT left.
I just don't think that they'd want to leave. They could possibly win the new ACC fairly regularly while they could field the same quality teams and never win the SEC. I don't see leaving for the SEC as an attraction as long as you're getting paid. Bragging rights are for fans.
I just don't think that they'd want to leave. They could possibly win the new ACC fairly regularly while they could field the same quality teams and never win the SEC. I don't see leaving for the SEC as an attraction as long as you're getting paid. Bragging rights are for fans.
Posted on 9/18/11 at 5:17 pm to TulaneUVA
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solidifies the fact that SEC next members will be from the big east, big 12, or lower. In other words, if an ACC defector was a possibility, it would have already happened.
Yep, I think the possibilities (If the SEC adds any more) will be Mizzou, KU, Louisville..I don't really see any more.
Posted on 9/18/11 at 5:17 pm to Easy
state politicians pressured UVA to get VT into the ACC. i doubt those same politicians would like to see VT leave and embarrass themselves and UVA in the process.
Posted on 9/18/11 at 5:19 pm to TulaneUVA
like i said those in the media that have contacts high up in the SEC offices say otherwise.
I agree that common sense tells you its not gonna happen but ill stick with those that know more then you or me.
I agree that common sense tells you its not gonna happen but ill stick with those that know more then you or me.
Posted on 9/18/11 at 5:20 pm to lsu777
ACC teams are out
Posted on 9/18/11 at 5:24 pm to lsu777
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like i said those in the media that have contacts high up in the SEC offices say otherwise. I agree that common sense tells you its not gonna happen but ill stick with those that know more then you or me.
That's fine. Youre entitled to your opinion but it ain't happening bro
Posted on 9/18/11 at 5:30 pm to TulaneUVA
my opinion is your prolly right as i said in the OP. but others with better contacts then me are saying both you and I are wrong. At this point Im not ruling out anything. I would be fine with just A&M and WVU.
i dont think B1G will go 16 and prolly not SEC either right now.
i dont think B1G will go 16 and prolly not SEC either right now.
Posted on 9/18/11 at 5:34 pm to baytiger
It's high stakes poker on the ACC. The ante is 20mil. You really couldn't vote against the buy-out without tipping your hand. It's a BIG pot.
The vote was probably unanimous as reported. After yesterday 's bombshell, anything is possible.
Silve has been much to quiet this weekend, which leads me to believe he may be waiting for an OU decision. Land OU, OST, A&M & WVA, realign the divisions, renegotiate the TV contract & retire with a well deserved bonus!
The vote was probably unanimous as reported. After yesterday 's bombshell, anything is possible.
Silve has been much to quiet this weekend, which leads me to believe he may be waiting for an OU decision. Land OU, OST, A&M & WVA, realign the divisions, renegotiate the TV contract & retire with a well deserved bonus!
Posted on 9/18/11 at 5:37 pm to jcole4lsu
I was thinking that might be the case but living in a state where politicians embarrass themselves daily without repercussion, I wasn't sure how significant such embarrassment would be in VA. Both fan bases might be happy for all I know.
Posted on 9/18/11 at 5:41 pm to jcole4lsu
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state politicians pressured UVA to get VT into the ACC. i doubt those same politicians would like to see VT leave and embarrass themselves and UVA in the process.
Yep. This has less to do with the UVA/VT fanbases and administrations and more to do with VT not slapping the politicians in the face after what it took to get them in here. It's bad PR.
This post was edited on 9/18/11 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 9/18/11 at 5:46 pm to Tigerntx
quote:The ACC teams may be solid, but I agree that the unanimous vote to increase exit fees means nothing. Once it becomes apparent that the motion has sufficient votes to pass, a no vote would be futile and stupid.
It's high stakes poker on the ACC. The ante is 20mil. You really couldn't vote against the buy-out without tipping your hand. It's a BIG pot. The vote was probably unanimous as reported. After yesterday 's bombshell, anything is possible
Posted on 9/18/11 at 5:57 pm to twk
bingo! we have a winner.
Posted on 9/18/11 at 5:58 pm to twk
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but I agree that the unanimous vote to increase exit fees means nothing.
Whether it was truly unanimous or not doesn't really matter. The fact of the matter is, the exit fees HAVE gone up and it is now less attractive to the school to leave (in addition to the other cons of FSU or VT leaving as discussed ad nauseum). Also, it doesn't make sense for another conference to try and pick on the ACC after they've strengthened themselves when they are clearly lingering teams for easy pickings.
This post was edited on 9/18/11 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 9/18/11 at 6:02 pm to TulaneUVA
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, why would the SEC go through paying millions of dollars (according to your theory of them paying the buyout) plus the possibility of lawsuits of poaching the ACC when they can easily add some valuable teams from elsewhere?
Exactly.
Finally, common sense.
Posted on 9/18/11 at 6:09 pm to TulaneUVA
i actually agree with you. But do you agree Matt Hayes prolly knows more then both of us about this? If so why do you scoff at this quotes in the article so easily?
I really do think the ACC will stick together but to just laugh off the idea that the SEC and B1G will pull out all the stops and go after then is kind of short sighted, is it not?
I really do think the ACC will stick together but to just laugh off the idea that the SEC and B1G will pull out all the stops and go after then is kind of short sighted, is it not?
Posted on 9/18/11 at 6:45 pm to lsu777
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SEC and B1G will pull out all the stops and go after then is kind of short sighted, is it not?
I would have said it was a realistic possibility before this weekend...but not now. But we can both agree that no one on this board knows for sure.
Posted on 9/18/11 at 8:40 pm to TulaneUVA
quote:That may or may not be true. If you are talking about a state school in a state where a suit against the school would be barred by sovereign immunity, you can increase the withdrawal fee from $20 million to $100 million and you're still not getting a penny more, as the Big XII has found out. If the schools in a league have not assigned their TV rights for a specific term to the league (and the only leagues where this is the case are the Pac and the Big Ten), then the only leverage a conference has over a team that wishes to leave is to withhold payment of sums that would otherwise be due to the school after they announce their departure.
Whether it was truly unanimous or not doesn't really matter. The fact of the matter is, the exit fees HAVE gone up and it is now less attractive to the school to leave (in addition to the other cons of FSU or VT leaving as discussed ad nauseum).
Posted on 9/18/11 at 9:03 pm to twk
Ya gotta try to understand my sense of humor. Does anyone see the irony of the Mike Leach letigation with TT contesting sovereign immunity? What if Leach wins? This dog & pony show has just begun!
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