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re: With the right off.-coordinator, could Orgeron be LSU's best hire.
Posted on 10/2/16 at 6:59 pm to TrueTigerTale
Posted on 10/2/16 at 6:59 pm to TrueTigerTale
There's only 2 coaches that should be considered over him if he goes 6-2 or better
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Posted on 10/2/16 at 7:58 pm to rilesrick
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There's only 2 coaches that should be considered over him if he goes 6-2 or better
It's all seen as a positive, and Coach O's not losing two games.
Posted on 10/2/16 at 8:55 pm to Harv1790
Here's the reason I don't hate the idea of hiring O if that is how the cards fall. What is the one thing that we know about him? He is an excellent recruiter. He has shown this time and time again. As long as we don't sign him to a long term deal (we won't), we can cut ties with him and be in essentially the same position that we are currently in. Right now we have a team of poorly coached top shelf athletes. At worst, Coach O would leave us in the same position. Worst case scenario, we kick the can down the road by hiring him. I believe his floor is no lower than Les's floor and is likely much higher.
Posted on 10/2/16 at 9:05 pm to pelicanpride
Let's to crown anyone yet. Let Eaux finish this season. Jumbo is struggling at FSU. TH is doing well at Houston. Finish the season, then decide on your future coach.
There is no need to speculate until the last game of the season ends.
There is no need to speculate until the last game of the season ends.
Posted on 10/2/16 at 9:19 pm to bencoleman
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He went 6 & 2 with USC after kiffen left. He's learned from his mistakes.
Did he? Those two losses were also to USC's two biggest rivals. Prepare for LSU to continue to lose to Bama and Ole Miss every year.
Posted on 10/2/16 at 9:57 pm to TheDude321
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Prepare for LSU to continue to lose to Bama and Ole Miss every year.
If he loses to Bama and Ole Miss this year, he's not going to be hired. This discussion is assuming he beats the big boys and gets the job. There's no point in discussing the alternative.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 12:20 am to TrueTigerTale
So logically, based on your premise, coach O being Les Miles but letting coordinators coach....well that woul have to be an upgrade
Posted on 10/3/16 at 12:06 pm to Ebbandflow
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So logically, based on your premise, coach O being Les Miles but letting coordinators coach....well that woul have to be an upgrade
Coach Orgeron isn't Les Miles, that should be obvious based on the players and media's reaction to a different coaching system.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 1:59 pm to SportTiger1
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I say this with all seriousness...please make it stahp!
You don't fire les miles and pay him $13m buyout, then promote your dline coach.
How many teams have been inquiring about coach O for HC? This would be a disaster.
couldnt agree more..
Posted on 10/3/16 at 8:28 pm to TigerFan55555
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You don't fire les miles and pay him $13m buyout, then promote your dline coach.
If Coach O wins out, you don't fire the only guy who beats your rivals.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 8:47 pm to TrueTigerTale
There's a difference between firing someone and not giving him the permanent position.
Damn. That's why it's called interim.
Damn. That's why it's called interim.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 10:43 pm to SeekGreatness
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There's a difference between firing someone and not giving him the permanent position.
Damn. That's why it's called interim.
It's called a fair opportunity, that's all Coach O is asking in his fight to remain the head coach. And all the smart money says, Orgeron will fight to remain LSU's head coach.
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Posted on 10/3/16 at 11:15 pm to TrueTigerTale
What many of you don't realize is that wins as interim coach don't mean ANYTHING. Beat Bama, beat Ole Miss. Great, but who cares? O didn't build this team, train it, install a philosophy, hire the assistants, and on and on. He didn't do what a HEAD COACH DOES, he just cheered on the team and let the assistants coach. If interim wins meant something, he would've either got the USC job or another team would've valued those wins and hired him. Instead, no team in the NCAA gave him a sniff - people who know football know you should only hire him if you'd do it before his first game as interim HC. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Peveto could go 6-2 as interim HC with this team, probably without leaving his house.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 1:14 am to dcw7g
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dcw7g
Preach it.
Look, I love coach O. He would be great for morale and it would be nice to have a LA guy coaching LSU. But, his stint at ole miss out ways 6-2 at USC with someone else's team. It will also out way 6-2 coaching les miles team. (i love how TTT says no way he loses more than 2 after we've played mizzou lol, we still have a tought row to hoe)
The fact that no one else wants him should tell the OP that. Its an indictment of the tallest order.
A good finish this season should get him a job at a smaller school, mid-major class. He needs to do that for 3 years and prove he can run a program. THEN I would welcome him back with open arms. The coach O bandwagon is purely emotional. But it is not what's best for LSU. And that is the goal.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 6:26 am to TrueTigerTale
frick no. He's not hc material.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 7:17 am to Summer of George
The idea of Coach O being the CEO and letting Aranda and whoever he gets as the OC coach and do their thing is a great idea in theory. And it might work well for the next 2 or 3 years, until that OC and Aranda get HC gigs and we have to go find new coaches. he makes the wrong hire and he's toasts after that.
If you could promise me Aranda wouldn't leave, i'd be for it. having a guy like Chavis, that you know won't leave as the DC would be what he needs to sustain the HC job.
Coach O couldn't afford to lose a top notch coordinator and do the job himself well. He would be reliant upon hiring someone good.
I'm still open to that path, but we better pay that OC and DC almost as much as Coach O, if all O is going to do is recruit and energize the team from the HC seat.
If you could promise me Aranda wouldn't leave, i'd be for it. having a guy like Chavis, that you know won't leave as the DC would be what he needs to sustain the HC job.
Coach O couldn't afford to lose a top notch coordinator and do the job himself well. He would be reliant upon hiring someone good.
I'm still open to that path, but we better pay that OC and DC almost as much as Coach O, if all O is going to do is recruit and energize the team from the HC seat.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 8:53 am to TeddyPadillac
Here's the thing...
1. You'll not find another head coach as passionate about LSU football as Orgeron. Now that's not a qualifier - just a statement.
2. Coach O failed miserably because he tried to control every aspect of the game when he was head coach, but he only really knew how to control the defensive line. He's not a QB guru, he's no offensive mastermind... he's a defensive line coach who happens to be damned good at motivating people and is great with people. Personal interactions I've had with him were great, one of those guys that knows your name months after he saw you just one time in passing.
3. Coordinators are going to come and go, but that's not where his success is purely going to come from. He's focused on building the program toward the future - the Coordinators call the plays, the position coaches put players in for the plays and coach their players to those positions. As a head coach that's a simple concept and one that successful head coaches adhere to. Saban lets Kiffen run that offense - will Saban be horrible when Kiffen leaves? Saban will be just fine because he's going to go out and hire the best guy he can find to replace Kiffen. The same with Orgeron if he gets the job - he'll find the best guys to surround himself with and when they leave, he'll find the best he can to replace them with. He'll have his policies in place and will make them adhere to those, but give them the leeway to be successful within their framework. He learned this after the Ole Miss failure, something he discussed with us back in 2013 I believe it was. He talked about going to various highly successful coaches and discussing with them how he ran his program, compared his styles with theirs and determined how he needed to have his approach going forward.
4. He's ready - listen, he's been chomping at the bit to have the right opportunity to prove that he can be a successful head coach. He learned from his failures (something that other coaches don't do) and has been putting plans in place the past several years. Those plans he's been working on are what put him in position to be successful this year as interim. I don't doubt he'll continue to find success in relying on the coaches around him who know the specifics of their jobs better than a head coach could know all of the specifics. I'd be happy with Herman too (great coach, great speaker - really enjoyed meeting him back in February), but if we couldn't get Herman - I don't know that you'd be able to find anyone else better suited for this specific job than Orgeron.
1. You'll not find another head coach as passionate about LSU football as Orgeron. Now that's not a qualifier - just a statement.
2. Coach O failed miserably because he tried to control every aspect of the game when he was head coach, but he only really knew how to control the defensive line. He's not a QB guru, he's no offensive mastermind... he's a defensive line coach who happens to be damned good at motivating people and is great with people. Personal interactions I've had with him were great, one of those guys that knows your name months after he saw you just one time in passing.
3. Coordinators are going to come and go, but that's not where his success is purely going to come from. He's focused on building the program toward the future - the Coordinators call the plays, the position coaches put players in for the plays and coach their players to those positions. As a head coach that's a simple concept and one that successful head coaches adhere to. Saban lets Kiffen run that offense - will Saban be horrible when Kiffen leaves? Saban will be just fine because he's going to go out and hire the best guy he can find to replace Kiffen. The same with Orgeron if he gets the job - he'll find the best guys to surround himself with and when they leave, he'll find the best he can to replace them with. He'll have his policies in place and will make them adhere to those, but give them the leeway to be successful within their framework. He learned this after the Ole Miss failure, something he discussed with us back in 2013 I believe it was. He talked about going to various highly successful coaches and discussing with them how he ran his program, compared his styles with theirs and determined how he needed to have his approach going forward.
4. He's ready - listen, he's been chomping at the bit to have the right opportunity to prove that he can be a successful head coach. He learned from his failures (something that other coaches don't do) and has been putting plans in place the past several years. Those plans he's been working on are what put him in position to be successful this year as interim. I don't doubt he'll continue to find success in relying on the coaches around him who know the specifics of their jobs better than a head coach could know all of the specifics. I'd be happy with Herman too (great coach, great speaker - really enjoyed meeting him back in February), but if we couldn't get Herman - I don't know that you'd be able to find anyone else better suited for this specific job than Orgeron.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 1:39 pm to MrVoodoo
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He's ready - listen, he's been chomping at the bit to have the right opportunity to prove that he can be a successful head coach. He learned from his failures (something that other coaches don't do) and has been putting plans in place the past several years. Those plans he's been working on are what put him in position to be successful this year as interim. I don't doubt he'll continue to find success in relying on the coaches around him who know the specifics of their jobs better than a head coach could know all of the specifics. I'd be happy with Herman too (great coach, great speaker - really enjoyed meeting him back in February), but if we couldn't get Herman - I don't know that you'd be able to find anyone else better suited for this specific job than Orgeron.
Orgeron's ready! He's learned from his mistakes, that's what the great ones do, they adapt then achieve.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 3:33 pm to TrueTigerTale
It's not could. It is.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 3:45 pm to TrueTigerTale
Orgeron as HC, Aranda as DC and Malzhan as OC. 
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