re: With the right off.-coordinator, could Orgeron be LSU's best hire.

Right now the current OC is averaging 43.5 points a game and that looks pretty damn good to me, but nonetheless whatever happens should be the next head coach's decision.

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bowwowsi5, it really is pretty, PRETTY Amazing that is!

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Against two weak teams! Is that your criteria for a HC? Wow.

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We just know that he's not anywhere near the most qualified candidate available. If you make a move to pay $10m to fire a coach that averaged almost 10 wins a season for 12 years, you have to go for the best possible. You don't quit a $20/hr job to work a $10/hr job just because it's 10 min closer to your house.

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Miles averaged 10 wins a year not because he was a good coach, but instead because he was at LSU, he also loss most of the games we loss because he wasn’t a good coach.

Meanwhile, who knows that coach O isn’t qualified and how do they know such a thing? Coach O has already demonstrated so for that he is a far better coach than Miles ever was. So let’s see if he can continue with the success, then we go from there.

Nonetheless, you are acting like coach O isn’t a better coach and better recruiter than Miles, when it is obvious that he is a far better coach and better recruiter than Miles. Thus, since coach O is obviously a better coach and recruiter than Miles, he should win more games than coach Miles.

Indeed, I bet that if we would have had a decent coach as opposed to Les Miles that we would have won one or two more national championships in that same time frame.

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Everyone knows he isn't qualified.. we can all see what his previous HC experience is. What you and everyone else that wants Coach O for HC is potential which nobody actually knows about.

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Coach O’s previous experience at Ole Miss was that he wasn’t a good coach, but at the same time, he was a good recruiter. He has acknowledge that fact and said he tried to micromanagement all aspects of the game, including the aspects of the game he knew absolutely nothing about. He even said he forced his OC to run Pete Carroll’s West Coast Offense even though he had no previous experience at it.

Coach O has acknowledged his many faults while at Ole Miss and the fact that he wasn’t a very good coach, but he has learned from that previous experience and moved on. Today, he is a much better delegator who lets his coaches do what they were hired to do, which is to coach.

If you aren’t making any mistakes, then you aren’t learning anything. That’s how people learn, they learn best from their own stupid mistakes. Coach O isn’t making any of those same stupid mistakes anymore today, because obviously he has learned from his previous experience. The man is no dummy like Miles always was.

Meanwhile, Herman, on the other hand, doesn’t have any previous head coaching experience, as he has been a head coach for a only year and a half at a second tier school and he is winning with another coach’s players. In other words, he is still very much unproven at this point in time. He may turn out to be an excellent head coach, but then again he may turn out to be only a pretender. No one knows at this time. Indeed, he is a much bigger gamble relative to coach O.

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You're disproving Herman's actual accomplishments and using things that Coach O has said as facts. You've got those two mixed up.

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What do you mean? I’m disproving Herman’s actual accomplishments? How can you disprove someone’s accomplishments? Please enlighten me.

Meanwhile, why are you accusing coach O of lying? What evidence do you have that he is lying? You have exactly no evidence whatsoever. In fact, coach O is not lying, which is why he was so successful subsequently at USC and currently right now at LSU. Give me a break, how old are you?

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That's great, happy that he's found peace and moved on from that debacle in OM. That has nothing to do with whether or not he is qualified for the LSU JOB. He's clearly not.

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Okay, then put your money where your mouth is and explain exactly why in your opinion coach O is not qualified if he wins out or ends the season with only one or two losses in close games.

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This job is for coach that's earned it through accomplishments over the long term, not one that promises to the administration that he'll do a good job but has yet to prove it on his own merits.

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Well then, that disqualifies Herman, doesn’t it? If not, then why not?

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I will concede that Coach O is better at allowing coordinators to do their jobs. I don't know if that equates to being a better coach, but if that's what you equate it to, then fine.

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I’m going by his record, a 42 to 7 victory over Missouri with a record 634 yards of total offense, and a 45-10 victory over Southern Mississippi with 459 total yards, as actions in my book always speaks louder than words.

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I do think you are selling Miles short on his ability to know what kind of players to build a program around.

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Sorry, Miles was a nice guy to go drink a beer with, but he was a joke as a head coach. I wouldn’t mind having Miles as a beer-drinking buddy, but nonetheless he was a Gawdawful coach.

Moreover, coach O has already demonstrated that he is a far better coach relative to Miles, and coach O is widely regarded as being one of the best recruiters in the country.

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Coach O was a great recruiter at OM and yet his teams got worse as more of his players got to play. That doesn't project the image of a guy that knows what type of players he can win with. The fact that he's such a talented recruiter and can usually get the guy he wants is even a worse indictment of how he performed at OM.

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With all due respect, that’s just plain stupid. Most players don’t become good enough to start until their junior and senior years, and like coach O admits, he was not a very good coach back then, but he’s learned from his previous experience and moved on. Meanwhile, like I said, actions always speaks louder than words, and action reveals that he has done very well as a coach first at USC and now so far at LSU. Nevertheless, we will all assess his success at the end of the season.

Meanwhile, Hugh Freeze said that when coach O got canned at Ole Miss the program was on the verge of turning around, and the evidence is that Houston Nutt had three quite strong years with coach O’s players, and then when they were graduated or no longer eligible and had to be replaced by Houston Nutt’s own players, that’s when the Ole Miss’s program started degrading again.

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Meanwhile, Hugh Freeze said that when coach O got canned at Ole Miss the program was on the verge of turning around

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Ole Miss went from bad to worst ever, back to bad. If that's the turnaround you're talking about it's on the wrong end of Coach O's career there unfortunately.

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Not saying he's lying, just that you can't believe everything you're told. Member how our offense was supposed to be changed from last year? Yeah... I member.

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What does "member" mean? Are you trying to say "remember"?

Meanwhile, the fact that the offense wasn’t changed from last year is exactly why Miles was fired. Nevertheless, to the extent that an offense can be changed in the middle of a season, that’s exactly what coach O and coach Ensminger are doing with great success so far I may add.

As for as believing everything I’m told, I never believe anything I’m told, as in my book actions always speak louder than words, and coach O’s actions since Ole Miss have been much success at USC and so far excellent success at LSU.

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Which of these teams did he build and implement his own schemes in again? It was his staff he hired right? Didn't let the coordinators do the work for him did he?

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Like I said dude, actions speak louder than words. At the end of the season we’ll all assess the success of LSU under coach O.

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Like I said dude, actions speak louder than words. At the end of the season we’ll all assess the success of LSU under coach O.

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Winning games midseason will not prove that he can build and maintain a program. period. I'm not sure which part of that you're not getting.