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re: Why cant LSU keep a coach for a long tenure?
Posted on 1/9/11 at 2:40 pm to That LSU Guy
Posted on 1/9/11 at 2:40 pm to That LSU Guy
yeah, his old school, this talk came up in 07, same song and dance, why now?
Posted on 1/9/11 at 2:43 pm to Fishhead
Sarge 6 yrs. is a long tenure these days. Especially when the fans treat you the way they treated Miles. Come on I was in the stands when they boooed him and his players this year. I'm sure that factors in somewhere. A month ago all I heard on this site and outside of it was Miles please leave. Where are those people now. Its scarey that they may be about to get what they were wishing for earlier in the year. Oh and by the way if we would have lost to the Aggies there is no dought a lot of the fan base would have been calling for his head. 
Posted on 1/9/11 at 2:44 pm to Sarge
Just read this board...our fans are a bunch if ignirant stupid asses its as simple as that
Posted on 1/9/11 at 2:44 pm to Sarge
have you read the Rant lately or the scoreboard on game days?
Posted on 1/9/11 at 2:44 pm to latiger89
My biggest complaint on CLM this year was the QB situation, last year, the so called "ghost spike" but other than that, I got nothing really worth complaining about.
Posted on 1/9/11 at 2:45 pm to Sarge
Dude. One was an egomaniac who went to the NFL (a position he stove for for years). The other might go to a dream job to build up his alma mater back to it's glory.
Is that hard to grasp?
Is that hard to grasp?
Posted on 1/9/11 at 2:47 pm to Sarge
There are very, very few programs where a coach would likely stay his entire career. Even then, it depends on the coach's final goal.
For instance, I would put USC in the list of schools where a coach would never want to leave, yet Pete left for the NFL because he obviously wanted to be there long-term. The list of jobs where a coach would probably stay forever IMO are:
Notre Dame
USC
Florida
Alabama
Texas
tOSU
Michigan
That is it. Now, before I get berated, let me explain. Notre Dame and Michigan are obviously down quite a bit, but if a coach would turn those programs around, unless the NFL comes calling, I cannot imagine a coach leaving those programs. Florida, Texas, tOSU, and USC are self explanatory. To further explain, those are the schools I cannot imagine a head coach voluntarily leaving for another college. NFL, maybe, but not another college. Now, just because a school is on that list does not mean that they can cherry pick their head coach, ala Harbaugh/Michigan and Mullen/Florida, but rather, a head coach in place would not leave for another college gig.
Programs like Oklahoma and LSU are on the cusp of that tier, but not quite there.
For instance, I would put USC in the list of schools where a coach would never want to leave, yet Pete left for the NFL because he obviously wanted to be there long-term. The list of jobs where a coach would probably stay forever IMO are:
Notre Dame
USC
Florida
Alabama
Texas
tOSU
Michigan
That is it. Now, before I get berated, let me explain. Notre Dame and Michigan are obviously down quite a bit, but if a coach would turn those programs around, unless the NFL comes calling, I cannot imagine a coach leaving those programs. Florida, Texas, tOSU, and USC are self explanatory. To further explain, those are the schools I cannot imagine a head coach voluntarily leaving for another college. NFL, maybe, but not another college. Now, just because a school is on that list does not mean that they can cherry pick their head coach, ala Harbaugh/Michigan and Mullen/Florida, but rather, a head coach in place would not leave for another college gig.
Programs like Oklahoma and LSU are on the cusp of that tier, but not quite there.
Posted on 1/9/11 at 2:47 pm to Sarge
In the post-Mac eras, all but Arnsparger and Saban and Miles, left due to a shortage of wins and consistency.
Arnsparger was an ancient pro DC when hired, he took a payday at Fla as AD, thus not a football HC related move.
Saban wanted to test the NFL, and was offered monster bank.
Miles has reached the pinnacle of NCAA Football at LSU(like Saban), now his alma mater needs fixing badly.
LSU gets a bad rap, and undeserved one over being a HC graveyard, that was the notion in the post-Mac era until say Arsparger arrived, then began again in the Archer, Curley, Dinardo run, or until Saban arrived. It's an unsophisticated notion for outsiders that don't break it down properly.
LSU formerly didn't pay top salary, nor have modern facilities, and also hired on the cheap, thus less-than-ideal hires. That hasn't been the case in over a decade.
If anything, it could be argued that in the modern cases of Saban and Miles, coaching attrition has become a product of LSU's own success being a detriment to retention.
Arnsparger was an ancient pro DC when hired, he took a payday at Fla as AD, thus not a football HC related move.
Saban wanted to test the NFL, and was offered monster bank.
Miles has reached the pinnacle of NCAA Football at LSU(like Saban), now his alma mater needs fixing badly.
LSU gets a bad rap, and undeserved one over being a HC graveyard, that was the notion in the post-Mac era until say Arsparger arrived, then began again in the Archer, Curley, Dinardo run, or until Saban arrived. It's an unsophisticated notion for outsiders that don't break it down properly.
LSU formerly didn't pay top salary, nor have modern facilities, and also hired on the cheap, thus less-than-ideal hires. That hasn't been the case in over a decade.
If anything, it could be argued that in the modern cases of Saban and Miles, coaching attrition has become a product of LSU's own success being a detriment to retention.
This post was edited on 1/9/11 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 1/9/11 at 2:48 pm to Sarge
Who can? There will be no more Paternos due to the salaries that are being paid which forces coaches to produce.
Posted on 1/9/11 at 2:50 pm to tigerfan182
quote:
have you read the Rant lately or the scoreboard on game days?
This is #1 on the list of people who try to explain why Miles would leave, but that is total bullshite. Do you think the expectations will be lower for Miles at Michigan? Of course fricking not. Coaches at big time programs deal with the pressure or get out of coaching (Meyer), but leaving LSU for Michigan does not lessen the stress on Miles. If anything, he will be faced with the possibility of running his alma mater into the ground.
Posted on 1/9/11 at 2:58 pm to Sarge
1. Michigan would be a huge challenge. Men like Miles thrive on challenges. It feeds the competitive fire in them.
2. Don't downplay the alma mater thing. Just look at the loyalty LSU has from its grads. Multiply that many times in the psychology of a football player who sweated and bled for it.
3. Here in the South most people don't understand the prestige that a school like Michigan has nationwide.
4. Les and his family might like Baton Rouge, but it isn't "home. The Mid-west is.
2. Don't downplay the alma mater thing. Just look at the loyalty LSU has from its grads. Multiply that many times in the psychology of a football player who sweated and bled for it.
3. Here in the South most people don't understand the prestige that a school like Michigan has nationwide.
4. Les and his family might like Baton Rouge, but it isn't "home. The Mid-west is.
Posted on 1/9/11 at 3:02 pm to DeeHorton
quote:How ironic...
Just read this board...our fans are a bunch if ignirant stupid asses its as simple as that
Posted on 1/9/11 at 3:07 pm to Chicken
quote:
Right now, turning around Michigan is a huge challenge...
So true. This is a major undertaking. Along the same lines of a Sherman taking over A&M.
Posted on 1/9/11 at 3:10 pm to LSUDad
Also, LSU's Natatorium is ratty old, and there is no Michael Phelps around, for Smacker to pick Olympic brain, and get instruction.
This post was edited on 1/9/11 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 1/9/11 at 3:13 pm to slackster
quote:
If anything, he will be faced with the possibility of running his alma mater into the ground.
Where is it now?
They got skull fu cked by Moo U.
Posted on 1/9/11 at 3:19 pm to TIGERFANZZ
quote:
Coach Miles & Ritch are tied for longest tenure in the SEC-6 years-the problem isn't unique to LSU.
FAIL
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