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re: When Herman finishes 3-4 in Houston's last seven games
Posted on 11/8/16 at 11:02 am to Tiger Ree
Posted on 11/8/16 at 11:02 am to Tiger Ree
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Has Nick or Urban called for Herman's advice because of his head coaching or was it just when he was a coordinator?
Lmao what a terrible jab. Why would they be calling anyone for HC advice??? Are they calling O? NO. Have they ever called O??? NO. Would they piss there pants laughing if they called O for anything or than recruiting? YEA.
Eta: no i wouldn't be that high on him if he finished 3-4. I would evaluate the games to see what they looked like, but his stock would and should drop.
This post was edited on 11/8/16 at 11:09 am
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Posted on 11/8/16 at 11:03 am to adamb2151
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His team has quit on him. The endless rumors about him leaving UH has derailed his program. This would happen to any coach in his position and is not indicative of his skill.
Les Miles' team quit on him after the Bama loss 4 years in a row. Losing a team is not a good thing, coach leaving rumors or not.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 11:04 am to Tiger Ree
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Tiger Ree
Posted on 11/8/16 at 11:21 am to Tiger Tracker
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Eta: no i wouldn't be that high on him if he finished 3-4. I would evaluate the games to see what they looked like, but his stock would and should drop.
Well, I agree and would hope it would be this way. I can't believe it took this thread 3 pages for someone to say this.
The swing game is Memphis, but looking at how the two teams played SMU, I would give the advantage to Memphis at home.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 11:37 am to BayouBengals18
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Les Miles' team quit on him after the Bama loss 4 years in a row. Losing a team is not a good thing, coach leaving rumors or not.
So LSU quitting on Saban in the 2005 Cap One bowl means hes a shitty coach then.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 11:47 am to adamb2151
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So LSU quitting on Saban in the 2005 Cap One bowl means hes a shitty coach then.
LSU lost that game on the final play(with obvious holding that was not called). Hardly a sign that a team had quit on a coach.
I think Saban's name came up for every NFL opening while he was at LSU. The team did alright with all of those rumors.
Most of the players on the Houston team were signed by the previous coaching staff not Herman. Every player on LSU's team was signed under Les Miles' watch. They didn't roll over and play dead and he was fired - no rumors - fired.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 11:54 am to TheCaterpillar
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You're relentless in your hate of everyone not Orgeron.
this is my take on the OP. it's fascinating how much someone can hate Herman.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 11:55 am to Tiger Ree
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Most of the players on the Houston team were signed by the previous coaching staff not Herman.
So, what you're saying is these aren't Herman's recruits and he shouldn't be responsible for their lack of enthusiasm regarding the possibility of him leaving. After all, they weren't all in for him in the first place, as he wasn't their coach. They're probably pissed that he's bailing on them.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 12:03 pm to Tiger Ree
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Revised question:
Even if he loses 4 of 7 against his PEERS should he be considered to lead the LSU program?
I'm not comparing coaches, teams, recruits or a myriad of other considerations. I am simply asking what you will think if the guy finishes the season's final seven games with a 3-4 record.
I'll answer. a 3-4 finish would put him at 8-4 on the year? It would definitely take some of the luster off of his 'home run' status.
But unlike you, i dont judge coaches based on a few games here or there. His overall record at houston would be 21-5.
Still pretty salty compared to 'other candidates'
Posted on 11/8/16 at 12:08 pm to SportTiger1
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it's fascinating how much someone can hate Herman.
I don't hate Herman. I am questioning if he is fit to lead the LSU program. He hasn't coached very long and his team has not looked good recently.
Again, I don't hate Herman but I love LSU.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 12:13 pm to MardiGrasCajun
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So, what you're saying is these aren't Herman's recruits and he shouldn't be responsible for their lack of enthusiasm regarding the possibility of him leaving. After all, they weren't all in for him in the first place, as he wasn't their coach
Nope, just pointing out the fact that he has not been there long enough to have recruited all the players on the team. If he went into the recruits houses and told them and the parents he would definitely be there for four years I could understand the players quitting. But, he didn't
This post was edited on 11/8/16 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 11/8/16 at 12:24 pm to SportTiger1
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But unlike you, i dont judge coaches based on a few games here or there. His overall record at houston would be 21-5.
Still pretty salty compared to 'other candidates'
His program doing worse the second year than the first is of no concern? Somebody in this thread earlier posted about all the ranked teams he beat.
The majority of those were in his first year (4) and only one (1) this year. He has more losses his second year though he has played fewer ranked teams.
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Still pretty salty compared to 'other candidates'
No doubt, and 21-5 is a great record in any conference or league. The only thing is four of the losses would have occurred in his second season. What can or should be expected next year?
Posted on 11/8/16 at 12:27 pm to Tiger Ree
Not even sure why we're discussing UH "quitting" because that's just lazy speculation that ignores their injury issues and the quality of their opponents. They can still win their division and play for a conference title.
Is it reasonable to think they were flat after blowing their playoff chances at Navy? Sure. But teams that quit on their coach don't come back from 3 TD deficits and win, which UH just did against UCF.
Is it reasonable to think they were flat after blowing their playoff chances at Navy? Sure. But teams that quit on their coach don't come back from 3 TD deficits and win, which UH just did against UCF.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 12:30 pm to Tiger Ree
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LSU lost that game on the final play(with obvious holding that was not called). Hardly a sign that a team had quit on a coach.
I think Saban's name came up for every NFL opening while he was at LSU. The team did alright with all of those rumors.
Most of the players on the Houston team were signed by the previous coaching staff not Herman. Every player on LSU's team was signed under Les Miles' watch. They didn't roll over and play dead and he was fired - no rumors - fired.
You are reaching.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 12:32 pm to nvasil1
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But teams that quit on their coach don't come back from 3 TD deficits and win, which UH just did against UCF.
Maybe they quit on him weeks ago and he has since coached them back up and motivated them.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 12:39 pm to adamb2151
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You are reaching.
Really, I'm reaching? Point out one thing I posted that I may be reaching about.
The bowl game against Iowa was lost on the final play of the game. There was an obvious holding that was not called.
Saban was mentioned for what seems like every NFL job that came open. I think he hired a PR firm himself.
Herman was hired by Houston last year. According to another poster it was after the recruiting had taken place. If so this team has ONE of Herman's recruiting classes.
If what I posted is incorrect please point it out and I will not question it in the future.
This post was edited on 11/8/16 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 11/8/16 at 12:42 pm to adamb2151
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Maybe they quit on him weeks ago and he has since coached them back up and motivated them
Also a possibility. Neither scenario reflects poorly on Herman IMO.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 12:42 pm to adamb2151
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Maybe they quit on him weeks ago and he has since coached them back up and motivated them.
That's classic right there. The team quit for 3 weeks but now they aren't "quit" anymore. Being ranked #6 in the country with a shot at the playoffs isn't enough motivation?
Posted on 11/8/16 at 12:45 pm to nvasil1
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Neither scenario reflects poorly on Herman IMO.
Really, is it the players fault?
Posted on 11/8/16 at 12:53 pm to Tiger Ree
I'm not in the locker room. All I know is that a team that supposedly has "gone to shite" came back from 21 points down in the 2nd half and won.
Do the players only get credit for that?
Do the players only get credit for that?
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