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re: Top ten worst hires in the past 10 years.
Posted on 12/16/08 at 11:06 am to josh336
Posted on 12/16/08 at 11:06 am to josh336
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i don't see how you can count a hire that has yet to produce any results as a top 10 worst hire....of course we can provide opinions on the hire and speculate, but can it really be considered one of the worst hires yet?
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At the time, Charlie Weiss was an excellent hire that would save Notre Dame from it's dispair. Now, looking back, he should go have surgery on his knees and let someone else save that program.
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Posted on 12/17/08 at 5:09 am to ffishstik
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With Croom and Willingham gone, will there be ANY Div I teams with a black head coach? I'm there are a few out there, but I certainly can't think of any.
Other than Turner Gill, I am not sure of any. However, the question becomes with the black coaches getting let go, wouldn't one think it was because they were not successful in the position - not because they were black? I don't know, just a thought.
This post was edited on 12/17/08 at 5:10 am
Posted on 12/17/08 at 9:36 am to Muahahaha
this will probably piss some people off but les miles was a horrible pick. When was the last time miles actually out coached someone (and dont say Ohio State)
Posted on 12/17/08 at 9:40 am to southpaw07
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this will probably piss some people off but les miles was a horrible pick. When was the last time miles actually out coached someone (and dont say Ohio State)
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depends on your requirement for out coaching someone.
South carolina the last two years? Urban Myer last year? V tech and frank beamer? Tommy T this year and last?
this will probably piss some people off but les miles was a horrible pick. When was the last time miles actually out coached someone (and dont say Ohio State)
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depends on your requirement for out coaching someone.
South carolina the last two years? Urban Myer last year? V tech and frank beamer? Tommy T this year and last?
Posted on 12/17/08 at 9:41 am to dos crystal
definitely S Car last year, Florida last year, and Ohio State last year
Posted on 12/17/08 at 9:41 am to southpaw07
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When was the last time miles actually out coached someone (and dont say Ohio State)
Auburn 2008 (come back on the road with backup QB)
S.C. 2008
Florida 2007
Tennessee 2007 (won SECCG with backup QB)
S.C. 2007
Va Tech 2007
Ark 2006
Tenn 2006
Miami 2005
Ala 2005
Au 2005
UF 2005
To name a few and to leave out ND and Ohio State. However, Ohio State was in the NC and he out coached Tressel.
Posted on 12/17/08 at 9:48 am to southpaw07
Who would you rather have hired when Saban left?
Posted on 12/17/08 at 10:00 am to SeabrookTiger
There is a difference between outcoaching someone and having far superior talent and having to come back because your coach is to hard headed to change the way he thinks. and now that all of sabans players and leaving what do we see 7-5 and it should have been 6-6 if not for troy coach having a brain fart.
Posted on 12/17/08 at 10:06 am to southpaw07
Yeah, true. We had far superior talent than UF last year. That guy Tebow, well, he sucks. We had far superior talent that Tenn and Ark in 2006 (both top 10 teams when we played and beat them on the road). We had far superior talent to Miami in 2005 (#9 in the nation). We had far superior talent to...never mind.
ETA: You do understand that Saban didn't coach any of "his" players. Miles did. He is responsible for their development as players. If recruiting was the entire ball game we wouldn't need coaches, just recruiters. If recruiting was the entire ball game Dale Brown would have won at least 5 NCs.
ETA: You do understand that Saban didn't coach any of "his" players. Miles did. He is responsible for their development as players. If recruiting was the entire ball game we wouldn't need coaches, just recruiters. If recruiting was the entire ball game Dale Brown would have won at least 5 NCs.
This post was edited on 12/17/08 at 10:08 am
Posted on 12/17/08 at 10:09 am to Macavity92
Macavity shut the hell up and go back to playing world of war craft. Miami in '05 didn't want to even be there. And how is running the same play 5 times on 4th and short outcoaching someone.
Posted on 12/17/08 at 10:12 am to southpaw07
Well, I don't play world of war craft. You are really showing your lack of education now.
Wow, there were only 5 plays in the UF game? Last time I checked, coaching involved knowing which plays would work. Obviously, Les did.
My comment was more in response to your "far superior talent" assumption. I think the defending Nat'l Champs had a good bit of talent. As did Va Tech, which ended up in a BCS bowl and ranked No. 1 in some of the computers. As did, well...never mind.
Wow, there were only 5 plays in the UF game? Last time I checked, coaching involved knowing which plays would work. Obviously, Les did.
My comment was more in response to your "far superior talent" assumption. I think the defending Nat'l Champs had a good bit of talent. As did Va Tech, which ended up in a BCS bowl and ranked No. 1 in some of the computers. As did, well...never mind.
Posted on 12/17/08 at 10:14 am to Macavity92
OK dude, if you know so much about coaching go become LSU's new DC
Posted on 12/17/08 at 10:19 am to southpaw07
here are some games in which he was horribly out coached
05 tenn
07 kent
07 ark
all the games in 08 they lost and troy
because having your team ready to play is part of coaching and also not having players that tear your lockerroom apart
05 tenn
07 kent
07 ark
all the games in 08 they lost and troy
because having your team ready to play is part of coaching and also not having players that tear your lockerroom apart
This post was edited on 12/17/08 at 10:24 am
Posted on 12/17/08 at 10:31 am to southpaw07
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05 tenn
2 hurricanes. Seriously, 2 hurricanes. Say what you want about the problems this year, but 2005 was a hell of a coaching job by Miles and his staff. New coach, multiple natural disasters, and the team still wins the West was an impressive accomplishment.
Posted on 12/17/08 at 10:31 am to southpaw07
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OK dude, if you know so much about coaching go become LSU's new DC
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i do believe you were the one that questioned the coaching. Therefore, if you know better, than maybe you should coach.
So, the moral of the story is, if you lose, you got out coached. Therefore, everyone has been outcoached.
OK dude, if you know so much about coaching go become LSU's new DC
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i do believe you were the one that questioned the coaching. Therefore, if you know better, than maybe you should coach.
So, the moral of the story is, if you lose, you got out coached. Therefore, everyone has been outcoached.
Posted on 12/17/08 at 10:32 am to southpaw07
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here are some games in which he was horribly out coached
05 tenn
07 kent
07 ark
all the games in 08 they lost and troy
because having your team ready to play is part of coaching and also not having players that tear your lockerroom apart
I really don't get people complaining about the 2005 Tenn game. I drove to Mobile and back that day. I saw the offshore boats sitting by I-10 and the platform that Katrina had kicked loose from its moorings. Anyone who thinks that they could have done better in that situation really has impossible standards.
Great coaches lose games. Great coaches have bad seasons. Just as a great recruiting class is no guarantee of success having a great coach is no guarantee of an NC every year. This will be the first time under Miles we finish a season outside of the top 10. I think FSU and PSU fans will tell you that down years will happen. And, their coaches are the all time leaders in wins.
But if you think that LSU's talent is that much better than the rest of the SEC and the nation and that they should never lose then, my friend, you have found the right place and have lots of company here.
Posted on 12/17/08 at 10:32 am to glaucon
'05 was a hell of a year. I'm talking just about that game. keep your CB's 10 yards back against Rick Clausen. come on now Anyone could have completed those passes
Posted on 12/17/08 at 10:50 am to southpaw07
what were you suppose to do when 1/2 of your defense is on the sideline with IV's? Why were they on IV's? Two hurricane's and the heat? every coach should be prepared for that!
get out the headset southpaw.
get out the headset southpaw.
Posted on 12/17/08 at 10:50 am to southpaw07
Perhaps the problem was that the players were exhausted. Many were volunteering in the PMAC on a regular basis. Many had relatives staying with them. Others had no clue where their relatives were. I remember reports of some players having as many as 20 people living with them. I also remember Miles limiting practice for some players because they were simply too tired to go. That suggests to me that the players did not have the gas to play press coverage or to do anything other than what they were doing. It also suggests to me that Miles had figured out what the greater good was. It is absolutely amazing that, after the UT game, this team played without a bye week and did not drop a game. I think 2005 was, without a doubt, the best job of coaching in LSU history.
And people here have the audacity to complain about the result of that game? It blows me away.
And people here have the audacity to complain about the result of that game? It blows me away.
Posted on 12/17/08 at 10:54 am to southpaw07
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When was the last time miles actually out coached someone (and dont say Ohio State)
Well, let's just cherry pick our arguments. How can the coaching of the title game not be included in the discussion? This is a dumb and slanted argument. Even for ranters.
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