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re: The case for Briles

Posted on 9/29/16 at 11:20 am to
Posted by geauxldentx
Waco TX
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 9/29/16 at 11:20 am to
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It doesn't matter if he comes up clean. Briles is associated in the public mind with rape. You are saying that LSU should go from a guy who had a pretty close to perfect off the field image as far as major college football goes to one that is associated with RAPE because he could help them win. You rehab your image at a place that is desperate to win without any history of doing so and has a cheap athletic department. Neither of those are LSU.


JIMBO FISHER HAS THE SAME ALLEGATIONS AT HIS PROGRAM
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
40086 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 11:28 am to
HAVE YOU HEARD THAT HE IS 70 frickING YEARS OLD
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9833 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 11:34 am to
quote:

Briles is associated in the public mind with rape


damn yall act like he did it.. yall act like he told someone to do it.. my god, every football coach in a america has this brought before his desk. the man simply had an AD and a President that wanted to sweep it under the rug.. He didnt want to have anything to do with it.. not saying that is right by any means, but damn football coaches dont really deal with the most perfect people in society..
Posted by geauxldentx
Waco TX
Member since Sep 2016
11 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 11:43 am to
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damn yall act like he did it.. yall act like he told someone to do it.. my god, every football coach in a america has this brought before his desk. the man simply had an AD and a President that wanted to sweep it under the rug.. He didnt want to have anything to do with it.. not saying that is right by any means, but damn football coaches dont really deal with the most perfect people in society..


agreed, BU had to protect its reputation as a baptist university and didn't want the negative exposure from all of this... and from an administrative perspective deciding to cover up the crime is nearly as reprehensible as the actual crime was itself,it sort of reminds me of the Ray Rice stuff the NFL was trying to represent the moral high road but when presented with the facts of the situation it quickly became clear their position represents hypocrisy, and when the Regents at baylor came to that conclusion (which I mean come on hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance are basically the central tenets of being a baptist) that they didn't want to have any egg on their face so to speak and they covered it up...does that make briles look worse by association, of course it does, yet it also shouldn't disqualify him from future employment
Posted by geauxldentx
Waco TX
Member since Sep 2016
11 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 11:45 am to
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HAVE YOU HEARD THAT HE IS 70 frickING YEARS OLD


Briles is 60 actually, and just for reference saban is 64
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
40086 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 11:45 am to
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does that make briles look worse by association, of course it does, yet it also shouldn't disqualify him from future employment


So how long should we wait? Are we going hire a 75 year old a few years down the line when everyone forgets he was associated with a massive rape cover up?
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
40086 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 11:46 am to
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Briles is 60 actually, and just for reference saban is 64


Either way I'll take the 41 year old, not associated with rape.
Posted by geauxldentx
Waco TX
Member since Sep 2016
11 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 11:46 am to
quote:

So how long should we wait? Are we going hire a 75 year old a few years down the line when everyone forgets he was associated with a massive rape cover up?


I don't know for some reason no one seems to care that it also occurred under Jimbo Fishers watch, the time line with him is pretty immediate so I think briles would deserve the same courtesy
Posted by geauxldentx
Waco TX
Member since Sep 2016
11 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 11:49 am to
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Either way I'll take the 41 year old, not associated with rape.


You had better hope WVU ISU KSU and KU some how have more power in the BIG 12 than OSU OU UT TCU TTU and BU because every school south of Kansas wants UH in the BIG 12
This post was edited on 9/29/16 at 11:51 am
Posted by Enadious
formerly B5Lurker City of Central
Member since Aug 2004
18537 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 11:54 am to
Briles:too old;didn't read.
Posted by SOT0711
Member since Sep 2016
5 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:11 pm to
And I'll take the 61 year old that completely rebuilt 2 programs over the guy that's had one good year at UoH with an unbelievable QB that he didn't recruit. Agree to disagree.
Posted by Baloo
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
49645 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:16 pm to
I hold a degree from Baylor (and LSU) and I find it repugnant than any school would consider hiring Art Briles. He, in the most friendly reading of the facts, willingly turned a blind eye to a massive structural criminal problem with his program. And, given Title IX laws, he didn't just open up the school to NCAA sanction, but actual sanctions from the federal government. LSU needs that like they need a hole in their head.

He should be absolutely unhireable at a school like LSU that has options. I understand if a lower level program looks the other way and takes the plunge in a desperation move to improve a sagging program, but LSU is nowhere near the position to risk federal investigation.
Posted by Oddibe
Close to some, further from others
Member since Sep 2015
6733 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:18 pm to
I tried reading it, I really did. Please go back and edit and use the enter/return key about 20 times to break that great wall of text up. thanks.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171955 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:21 pm to
I'm not reading that shite. frick briles. I don't want him anywhere near LSU
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9833 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:25 pm to
quote:

BU because every school south of Kansas wants UH in the BIG 12


wrong, Oklahoma president voted no yesterday
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78281 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:29 pm to
bullets?
Posted by SOT0711
Member since Sep 2016
5 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 1:12 pm to
That's where we differ. I don't take the Findings of Fact at face value. The regents have done nothing to buy my trust. Most are either childish power-mongerers or gutless pushovers. Neither type belongs in a leadership role.

And you're wrong about both the Title IX and federal government sanctions. First, he did nothin to involve the government. Saying such is so inaccurate that it's laughable. Second, Baylor didn't have any real title IX structure in place until fall of 2014, long after the major issues. Employees, including Briles, did not even receive any Title IX training until September of 2015. How is Briles accountable for that?

I'm just telling y'all, the more that gradually comes to light from this, the cleaner Briles is going to look. We need to get in on this guy before anyone else.
Posted by glaucon
New Orleans, LA
Member since Aug 2008
5292 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 1:34 pm to
No one is arguing that Baylor in general is not full of bullshite but the highest paid employee of that organization doesn't escape that environment with a bunch of bullshite on him. It would have been one thing if Art Briles nobly exposed the administrations sins but he didn't. He willingly went along with the bullshite for years. Being free of legal responsibility is not the same thing as not being morally culpable. Furthermore, this is idiotic:

quote:

Second, Baylor didn't have any real title IX structure in place until fall of 2014, long after the major issues. Employees, including Briles, did not even receive any Title IX training until September of 2015. How is Briles accountable for that?


If he signed anything about Title IX and its reporting requirements it doesn't fricking matter if he got the training or not. The fact we can be arguing about his responsibilities under Title IX should be a huge banner that reads:

DON'T HIRE frickING ART BRILES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by LSU713
Plano, TX
Member since Dec 2003
669 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 1:39 pm to
If you cared deeply for LSU, why would you want it associated with someone who has been associated with these horrible crimes.
(1) Doesn't it say something that all this crap happened on his watch?
(2) What type of culture was he promoting at Baylor?
(3) This is not just being a scumbag like Petrino, this is having your head coach potentially associated with covering up serious violent crimes (one occurrence is tough to see, but multiple occurrences has to fall on leadership)

And even if you are a spineless human being and that stuff doesn't bother you, Briles didn't accomplish crap at Baylor. His bowl games:

2010 Texas Bowl Illinois 38 Baylor 14
2011 Alamo Bowl Baylor 67 Washington 56
2012 Holiday Bowl Baylor 49 UCLA 26
2014 Fiesta Bowl Central Florida 52 Baylor 42
2015 Cotton Bowl Michigan State 42 Baylor 41
2016 Russell Athletic Baylor 49 UNC 38

He made 2 BCS/Big 6 Bowls and lost both games, and besides that made lower tier bowls, giving up ridiculous amounts of points. His teams do not play a lick of defense and that style will get crushed in the SEC, as your D would be out on the field a ton. And don't give me the shite, "well he doesn't have LSU's talent,"...he had a freaking Heisman trophy QB and multiple criminal/druggie NFL draft picks.

frick Art Briles; I hope he doesn't ever step foot on the LSU campus.
Posted by glaucon
New Orleans, LA
Member since Aug 2008
5292 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 1:47 pm to
Are all the folks pulling for Art Briles in this thread Briles himself or a family member? Given the post counts...
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