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Stability or potential?

Posted on 11/5/21 at 10:15 pm
Posted by GarTiger
West Monroe
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Posted on 11/5/21 at 10:15 pm
I keep reading Jimbo would bring back stability. I read that as "we will be 8-4 on bad years and 10-2 in the exceptional ones". While most programs would take that in a heartbeat, we are LSU and have championship pedigree. Les Miles was stable. Is that what we want as fans? LSU really forking out $100+ mil for that?!?

On to potential. Maybe the "young guns' like Aranda/Napier/Campbell/Tucker(young as HC) and the like will certainly bring a little more uncertainly that Fisher. I think most of us believe the ceilings for these guys are unknown and possibly higher than Jimbo.

As an LSU fan, which direction would excite you the most? For me, I would take any of the "higher risk/higher reward guys" in a heartbeat.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 11/5/21 at 10:17 pm to
Tucker and aranda at least offer similar floors with upside

Jimbo has enough data to say what he is
Posted by MrWiseGuy
Member since Dec 2009
27846 posts
Posted on 11/5/21 at 10:18 pm to
Come on around to Tucker

There’s room on this wagon
Posted by GarTiger
West Monroe
Member since Oct 2019
2502 posts
Posted on 11/5/21 at 10:20 pm to
If it's a Tucker vs Fisher decision...C'mon on down Mel!
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/5/21 at 10:21 pm to
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Come on around to Tucker

There’s room on this wagon

Aranda >>>>>>>>>>>> Tucker
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 11/5/21 at 10:22 pm to
Preach son
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 11/5/21 at 10:23 pm to
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Tucker and aranda at least offer similar floors with upside

They have losing conference records. There is no upside in that.

Tucker is 10-11 in conference games.

Aranda is 6-8 in conference games.

If you cannot compete within your own weak conference, you're never getting to the playoffs. And they don't even have a bowl game between them. That's career suicide for Woodward.
Posted by MrWiseGuy
Member since Dec 2009
27846 posts
Posted on 11/5/21 at 10:23 pm to
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Aranda >>>>>>>>>>>> Tucker


My mind won’t ever let me get past Aranda choosing Kendall McCallum over Christian Harris

It’s a mental block
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/5/21 at 10:23 pm to
I'm primed towards intelligence and Aranda is by far the smartest/best tactician of any target....by a WIDE margin.

People just shite on Aranda for this mythical inability to recruit.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481186 posts
Posted on 11/5/21 at 10:24 pm to
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If you cannot compete within your own weak conference, you're never getting to the playoffs.

We're about to hire the most expensive coach in CFB who can't compete within his own conference and isn't close to the playoffs.
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
173704 posts
Posted on 11/5/21 at 10:25 pm to
Yep

Football savant. I remember getting AIDS before the ‘16 season thinking of Duke Riley starting and he turned him into a damn pro
Posted by GarTiger
West Monroe
Member since Oct 2019
2502 posts
Posted on 11/5/21 at 10:25 pm to
I honestly think that of all the "newbie" HC's being mentioned, Napier is the one I think has the highest ceiling. The fact that a guy that coached with him at Bama compared his systematic approach and meticulous attention to detail compared him to Saban, is something I can't shake. That, for me, is the best thing i've heard about any of these candidates!
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
173704 posts
Posted on 11/5/21 at 10:26 pm to
Tuckers defense is statistically worse than Daronte’s with a fraction of the attrition and an easier schedule
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481186 posts
Posted on 11/5/21 at 10:27 pm to
Napier would have an argument if he had ULL actually winning and being highly ranked. He's been there long enough and if he actually is this mythical-elite "program builder" then ULL would be built and dominating.

Spoiler alert: They're not.
Posted by MrWiseGuy
Member since Dec 2009
27846 posts
Posted on 11/5/21 at 10:27 pm to
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People just shite on Aranda for this mythical inability to recruit.


It’s not a mythical concern. It’s definitely a concern.

It’s not a want to or anything like that for Aranda. So he definitely can overcome it. I go back to his recruiting of Rice, the LB from Georgia.

Rice committed to Aranda and LSU because Aranda was the only one not pressuring him — Rice’s words. Once Rice committed, Kirby and UGA turned up the heat and he flipped in a matter of hours.

Now, make of that what you will and what happened. But it happened.

Recruiting is Aranda’s red flag, while other coaches have their red flags.
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 11/5/21 at 10:28 pm to
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who can't compete within his own conference

Woodward is not hiring coaches that have losing conference records, and never made it to a bowl. This is his signature hire. Those stats do not remotely qualify.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
163106 posts
Posted on 11/5/21 at 10:29 pm to
Napier is Derek Dooley
Posted by Sonny Koufax
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 11/5/21 at 10:29 pm to
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 11/5/21 at 10:30 pm to
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Jimbo has enough data to say what he is


But LSU in state talent is ridiculous

Yall are being stupid
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481186 posts
Posted on 11/5/21 at 10:30 pm to
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This is his signature hire.

If Jimbo is his signature hire, AGAIN, then he's shown to be a terrible AD
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