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re: Porter to Memphis according to Joe Schad

Posted on 11/28/09 at 3:12 pm to
Posted by LSUMafia
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Posted on 11/28/09 at 3:12 pm to
Yup, practice matters so much. That's why Rohan Davey sucked right? He was horrible at practice, but when the lights were on he was lights out.

Some players just don't get up and focused for practice. Is it right? No. They should always be focused, but to say practice determines how well you do in games is wrong.

According to our practices, this OL was potentially great. Turns out our DL is utter shite.

If you don't think a RB coach affects a team, look no further to UT. Major Applewhite became their RB coach last year, and their running game has been horrible the last two years outside of McCoy's rushing.

Porter is an average to below average coach, but a great recruiter. PERIOD!

Murphy didn't develop. Trindon didn't get developed and barely used. Williams fumbled ONCE in his career and it wasn't a lost fumble, yet is called butter fingers. Hester was actually average at pass blocking.

Keiland actually is a better pass blocker this season than Scott was for Goodness sake.
Posted by nhsj012
Member since Aug 2008
2975 posts
Posted on 11/28/09 at 3:13 pm to
Coming from the guy who was arguing with me then comes back with this gem to prove the exact point I was making.

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but didnt you hear, if you dont break 5 tackles each play and hit big gainers every time you arent good and thus your coach isnt either answer this for me... does a rb coach have any effect on the running ability of a player? If you say yes then how so? Like I said, they work on the little things, not breaking tackles. Since Scott had a great year in 2008, we attribute that to Porter?

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no you attribute that to a better oline as a starting point


My whole point was that a rb coach can't effect the running backs's ability, only the little things. The running back's success in 2008 was greatly attributed to a terrific o-line. A poor o-line this year has hindered their yardage. People will take this and say the running backs a great and thus the rb coach is great when in fact broken tackles, vision, and cuts are all on the player, not the coach.
This post was edited on 11/28/09 at 3:15 pm
Posted by nhsj012
Member since Aug 2008
2975 posts
Posted on 11/28/09 at 3:20 pm to
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Yup, practice matters so much.


Like I said, you have to take both into account but you just flat out ignored that part. It is my opinion and I bet 90% of coaches will say practice matters more.

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A couple of hours of practice is worth ten sloppy rounds. Babe Didrikson Zaharias

An hour of practice is worth five hours of foot-dragging. Pancho Segura

Don't do anything in practice that you wouldn't do in the game. George Halas

Everything is practice. Pele

For every finish-line tape a runner breaks -- complete with the cheers of the crowd and the clicking of hundreds of cameras -- there are the hours of hard and often lonely work that rarely gets talked about. Grete Waitz

For every pass I caught in a game, I caught a thousand in practice. Don Hutson

How do I get to Carnegie Hall? Practice. Practice. Practice. Saadi I don't know if I practiced more than anybody, but I sure practiced enough. I still wonder if somebody -- somewhere -- was practicing more than me. Larry Bird

I know a lot of people think it's monotonous, down the black lines over and over, but it's not if you're enjoying what you're doing. I love to swim and I love to train. Tracy Caulkins

I know you've heard it a thousand times before. But it's true -- hard work pays off. If you want to be good, you have to practice, practice, practice. If you don't love something, then don't do it. Ray Bradbury

I never stay away from workouts. I work hard. I've tried to take care of my body. I'll never look back and say that I could have done more. I've paid the price in practice, but I know I get the most out of my ability. Carl Yastrzemski

If I don't practice the way I should, then I won't play the way that I know I can. Ivan Lendl

If I miss one day of practice, I notice it. If I miss two days, the critics notice it. If I miss three days, the audience notices it. Ignacy (Jan) Paderewski

If you train hard, you'll not only be hard, you'll be hard to beat. Herschel Walker

In previous years I was so fired up at times I made little mistakes. So I kept telling myself to be patient, relax, play like you do in practice. What I've been doing in practice will carry over into the game. Randall Cunningham

In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. Yogi Berra

It's not necessarily the amount of time you spend at practice that counts; it's what you put into the practice. Eric Lindros

Losers have tons of variety. Champions just take pride in learning to hit the same old boring winning shots. Vic Braden

Most of us who aspire to be tops in our fields don't really consider the amount of work required to stay tops. Althea Gibson

My father taught me that the only way you can make good at anything is to practice, and then practice some more. Pete Rose


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Keiland actually is a better pass blocker this season than Scott was for Goodness sake.

I agree...It took 4 years. Again I'm not bashing KW, I'm saying porter could have fixed fixed the small things and gotten more out of him.
This post was edited on 11/28/09 at 3:22 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/28/09 at 3:24 pm to
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ou have to take both into account

no

what you do in games is all that matters
Posted by nhsj012
Member since Aug 2008
2975 posts
Posted on 11/28/09 at 3:25 pm to
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it does matter

Take the entire thread in context.

AGAIN

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Again, none of this matters. I wasn't using traits that players on the team have, I was speaking generally. You seem to care more about stats and flashiness and don't care about the less noticeable things that also play a massive role in a player's ability. I agree with you that KW should have gotten more carries. I agree with you that he was probably the best rb at points in his career even though that is subjective. Maybe you should re-read the thread. We were talking about porter's ability to coach running backs, especially the little things like blitz pick up. We came to a consensus that he was a great recruiter but an average at best coach. He possibly prevented the growth of the rbs and KW could have possibly been a beast with better coaching. KW had all the potential in the world but the little things probably kept him off the field (like it or not it is Mile's MO).
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
475945 posts
Posted on 11/28/09 at 3:28 pm to
KW is fine at blitz pickup
Posted by nhsj012
Member since Aug 2008
2975 posts
Posted on 11/28/09 at 3:36 pm to
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what you do in games is all that matters

oh ok, you win. 100% game performance. Who would you rather on a late game drive to ice the game half way through the season, a guy who never fumbles in practice but fumbled once or twice in a game or a guy who would fumble on once a practice but didn't fumble in the games? You would be a complete hack to say 100% game or practice. Both matter and I give a slight edge to practice because of the number of reps. 500 reps in practice per week vs. 22 reps per week in a game.


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KW is fine at blitz pickup

This season finally. Again I'm not bashing the player, I'm putting it on porter for not getting the rb's to their full potential sooner.


You are still avoiding the bet.
This post was edited on 11/28/09 at 3:39 pm
Posted by LSUDad
Still on the move
Member since May 2004
62481 posts
Posted on 11/29/09 at 8:55 am to
Word out on the three names to replace Porter, Syracuse running backs coach Stan Drayton, Miami running backs coach Tommie Robinson, or Tennessee wide receivers coach Frank Wilson. Thats the start for Les. We'll see if others are added to the list.
Posted by LSUchick2007
Member since Dec 2006
893 posts
Posted on 11/29/09 at 10:31 am to
any of those three would be good IMO. Drayton coached for urban meyer and has recruiting ties in the south & SEC area. Robinson coached for miles, would give us a florida recruiting connection and coached in memphis and texas. wilson would help with the studs in louisiana in next years class. drayton i think would be the most likely to come, robinson may be happy in miami, wilson wanted to come to LSU but saban screwed him over, but people say he has issues and would not be a good fit.
Posted by The Tiger King
Psalm 41:2
Member since Sep 2003
1860 posts
Posted on 11/29/09 at 10:40 am to
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...Tennessee wide receivers coach Frank Wilson...


Doesn't have the best rep in the world, but maybe if "Freak" Johnson came with him, it could be worth it.
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