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Past John Thrasher (FSU Pres) Comments Re: Jimbo
Posted on 11/22/16 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 11/22/16 at 3:25 pm
Something to consider while we pass the time: John Thrasher's recent comments on Jimbo included a qualifier-- "within reason"--that's stuck with me the past day or so.
Turns out it's because Thrasher has used similar qualifiers in the recent past (excerpt from June 2016 Palm Beach Post article).
May be more such examples out there to find, this is what I found in five minutes of searching.
My point? There are no such qualifiers in play in Baton Rouge, and he knows it.
Edit: Comparatively-speaking, there aren't the qualifiers that this president feels compelled to mentioned, unprovoked, in multiple interviews on the subject.
quote:
“Jimbo and I talk frequently and based on that he is happy here and wants to stay.” Thrasher went on to tell Henry that, “If there is something he needs or wants — within reason — we are open to looking at that.”
Turns out it's because Thrasher has used similar qualifiers in the recent past (excerpt from June 2016 Palm Beach Post article).
quote:
“He gets up every day with some kind of satisfaction that he’s getting support from the administration,” Thrasher said. “Does he get everything he asks for? I won't say that, but I can’t imagine a president and head football coach having a better relationship than we have.”
May be more such examples out there to find, this is what I found in five minutes of searching.
My point? There are no such qualifiers in play in Baton Rouge, and he knows it.
Edit: Comparatively-speaking, there aren't the qualifiers that this president feels compelled to mentioned, unprovoked, in multiple interviews on the subject.
This post was edited on 11/22/16 at 7:02 pm
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Posted on 11/22/16 at 3:26 pm to ffhouston
There's always qualifiers
Posted on 11/22/16 at 4:16 pm to ffhouston
Nick Saban basically gets whatever he wants at Bama with little to no restrictions. Obviously he is a great coach, but when your employer is more than willing to give you every advantage you ask for, that certainly helps. Hell, you could argue that LSU's turning point as a football program is when they decided to give, "coincidentally" Saban everything he felt he needed to build a championship level program at LSU.
Obviously Fisher sits in the same geographic footprint as Bama, LSU, other SEC powers and sees what those schools give their football programs. I don't think there is really any question that he thinks he should be afforded the same things at FSU. That's why last year and, sorry, this year both seem like nothing more than power-plays by Fisher. The LSU job is his leverage. Because LSU is a power program who has proven they are willing to do what it takes to win, FSU has to take the threat seriously. The power-play wouldn't work if it were say Georgia Tech, or Arizona St. purportedly looking to hire Fisher.
For their part I suspect the FSU brass feels like Fisher won a national title and competed for another there with his "inadequate" resources, why does he need anything more? It's been proven he can reach the ultimate prize with what he's got.
Therefore, I think this just the ultimate game of chicken between Fisher and FSU. Unfortunately, the LSU job is the chess piece for Fisher. It's a question now of who blinks first. Is Fisher REALLY going to leave a great program to come to another great program, but one where the path to success is probably much tougher (Bama, AU, Florida, etc aren't moving to the ACC)? Is FSU REALLY going to let their championship coach walk because they don't want to give him more resources?
My opinion is that Fisher doesn't LOVE the LSU job nearly as much as his camp wants us to believe. I think his ultimate goal is to remain at FSU, but force them to give him what he wants. I go back to the fact that we did this song and dance last season. If Fisher REALLY wanted to be the coach at LSU, he'd already be the coach at LSU. He had the opportunity and obviously turned it down for a reason.
Maybe Fisher and FSU each call each other's bluff and Fisher ultimately ends up at LSU. However, if I had to bet, I think what happens is that Fisher gets some (most) of everything he wants from FSU and he remains their HC.
Obviously Fisher sits in the same geographic footprint as Bama, LSU, other SEC powers and sees what those schools give their football programs. I don't think there is really any question that he thinks he should be afforded the same things at FSU. That's why last year and, sorry, this year both seem like nothing more than power-plays by Fisher. The LSU job is his leverage. Because LSU is a power program who has proven they are willing to do what it takes to win, FSU has to take the threat seriously. The power-play wouldn't work if it were say Georgia Tech, or Arizona St. purportedly looking to hire Fisher.
For their part I suspect the FSU brass feels like Fisher won a national title and competed for another there with his "inadequate" resources, why does he need anything more? It's been proven he can reach the ultimate prize with what he's got.
Therefore, I think this just the ultimate game of chicken between Fisher and FSU. Unfortunately, the LSU job is the chess piece for Fisher. It's a question now of who blinks first. Is Fisher REALLY going to leave a great program to come to another great program, but one where the path to success is probably much tougher (Bama, AU, Florida, etc aren't moving to the ACC)? Is FSU REALLY going to let their championship coach walk because they don't want to give him more resources?
My opinion is that Fisher doesn't LOVE the LSU job nearly as much as his camp wants us to believe. I think his ultimate goal is to remain at FSU, but force them to give him what he wants. I go back to the fact that we did this song and dance last season. If Fisher REALLY wanted to be the coach at LSU, he'd already be the coach at LSU. He had the opportunity and obviously turned it down for a reason.
Maybe Fisher and FSU each call each other's bluff and Fisher ultimately ends up at LSU. However, if I had to bet, I think what happens is that Fisher gets some (most) of everything he wants from FSU and he remains their HC.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 4:19 pm to Alt26
Wow, Alt26 gets it, slow clap for you sir.
Resources aren't inadequate at FSU anymore though, of course Fisher is to thank for that.
Resources aren't inadequate at FSU anymore though, of course Fisher is to thank for that.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 4:24 pm to Alt26
Except there's no evidence Fisher turned LSU down before. All we have is speculation. We do know that FSU didn't exactly sweeten the pot to keep him from turning them down.
This post was edited on 11/22/16 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 11/22/16 at 4:26 pm to Alt26
Very well stated. The only silver lining I see in LSU acquiring Jimbo is the fact he is going back to the same well only a year later. At some point either you make the move or admin gets tired of it and calls your bluff.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 4:29 pm to SeekGreatness
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We do know that FSU didn't exactly sweeten the pot to keep him from turning them down.
so thats why jimbo is coaching lsu now right?
Posted on 11/22/16 at 4:31 pm to ffhouston
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There are no such qualifiers in play in Baton Rouge, and he knows it.
bullshite. Every school has a limit. They just may vary on their interpretation of "reasonable".
Posted on 11/22/16 at 4:31 pm to Hook Em Horns
For all we know, and the general consensus says, the reason Jimbo isn't at LSU is because F. King Alexander balked at the firing of Miles last year after the media turned a sendoff into a "keep Les" campaign and he didn't want negative optics from buying out Les' contract. So he nixed the move. Were you paying attention?
This post was edited on 11/22/16 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 11/22/16 at 4:35 pm to SeekGreatness
Don't forget the ole John Bell Edwards side of the issue.....
Posted on 11/22/16 at 4:49 pm to Linkovich
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The only silver lining I see in LSU acquiring Jimbo is the fact he is going back to the same well only a year later. At some point either you make the move or admin gets tired of it and calls your bluff
Is he going back to the same well because he really has serious interest in the LSU job? Or is it because the LSU job is "available" (this time actually available) for the second straight year? LSU is probably one of the few schools that could give FSU pause for concern. I doubt FSU would really take him seriously if he were a candidate for the Baylor job, or Iowa St., etc. If he's ever going to force some action at FSU, this is probably his last best shot to do so. There's been some big jobs open up over the last few years. This is the only one he's been seriously linked to. Although to a lesser extent, just like Miles with Michigan, there's a connection between Fisher and LSU that at least can make this appear as more than a negotiating tool.
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At some point either you make the move or admin gets tired of it and calls your bluff.
No doubt. But in negotiations you use the leverage you have. The LSU job gives him real leverage against his current employer. It's not going to be available next year, so you strike while you have the leverage.
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