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re: On3: Dan Mullen met with Syracuse AD John Wildhack on Wednesday
Posted on 11/24/23 at 10:02 pm to McNet
Posted on 11/24/23 at 10:02 pm to McNet
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Bottom of the barrel Power 5 job. Freeze your arse off, shovel snow, get recruiting scraps, play in empty old dome, watch some basketball and lacrosse, get a paycheck for 4 yrs and move on.
Babers was paid $4 mil per year, and Mullen is from that part of the country.
Probably the absolute best case scenario for Syracuse. Hopefully for them Mullen wasn’t just giving them a courtesy interview.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 10:04 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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Where does the perception that Mullen doesn't recruit hard come from?
2019 class, 2 of his 3 highest rated recruits (Chris Steele and Jalon Jones) didn't stay with the team past April.
Most of his recruits never saw the field or didn't contribute when they did.
Worth noting those rankings were when FSU was historically bad and Miami didn't have Cristobal.
The fact that he barely got top 10 classes during that period, and that those numbers were inflated by a lot of takes who didn't qualify or never played a down for Florida, is partially where that came from.
And he completely stopped recruiting his last year at Florida. His class was somewhere in the 20s and falling apart when he got canned.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 10:12 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Probably the absolute best case scenario for Syracuse. Hopefully for them Mullen wasn’t just giving them a courtesy interview.
Mullen reached out to Syracuse about the job.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 10:15 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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Mullen reached out to Syracuse about the job.
Interesting.
How is the NIL situation at Cuse?
Posted on 11/24/23 at 10:19 pm to Partha
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Interesting.
How is the NIL situation at Cuse?
AD John Wildhack talked about this during his Dino is fired press conference. Competitive with our peers was the phrase he used about NIL. There's been a big NIL push behind the scenes lately from former players and large donors.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 10:32 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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AD John Wildhack talked about this during his Dino is fired press conference. Competitive with our peers was the phrase he used about NIL. There's been a big NIL push behind the scenes lately from former players and large donors.
Figured that there were some good programs and initiatives based on SU's basketball program being very high level. I imagine they could roll those over into football pretty easily if the boosters put up the money.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 10:43 pm to Partha
Does anyone at Syracuse read this board? They ought to.
Any AD that hires Mullen should be fired on the spot.
He's lazy and essentially sabotaged UF on his way out the door. Got UF on probation, and a show cause order from the NCAA. Embarrassed the school with his behavior for the entire 2020 season. Anyone remember his whining after choking away the game at A&M? Instigating a fight with Mizzou then coming out as Darth Vader because he couldn't wait another 15 minutes before putting on a costume and just do the job that he was paid millions to do, remember that?
Awful at staff management. Do we really need to go over his handling of Todd Grantham? Terrible personality and is a net negative with regard to your recruiting. With Miami and FSU struggling unlike ever before in their histories, at the same time, he was not only unable to capitalize on it, his malfeasance, negligence, and complete laziness all contributed to their resurgence, FSU more so than Miami.
Stopped doing his job entirely and just mailed it in. Hiring Dan Mullen is the equivalent of waving the white flag and telling your fans you don't care about the program or the athletes.
I don't think people realize how awful he was in Gainesville.
No one gets less from more like Dan Mullen. Did everything he could to not play Dak at MSU, and was forced to play him after the starter got hurt, even though Dak was better, but Mullen had already decided to play the other guy and sit Dak another year. Did the same in Gainesville and did everything he could to not play Trask.
Mullen had Tebow for 3 years and the same knock on Tebow existed after 2008 that was there in 2006 - the throwing motion. When Mullen got hired to go to MSU after 2008, people in Gainesville were not sad to see him go. The talk was 'finally Tebow gets a QB coach that will teach him better mechanics and help him with regard to the draft'. Mullen didn't develop Tebow and he didn't develop Dak. These guys merely needed reps and it was Mullen that kept them off the field longer than they should have been.
It was Mullen that pushed Tim Tebow to Bama because of how weird he is - Meyer rescued that recruiting effort and got Tebow to UF. Look at the connections that Tebow has to UF and think how awful you must be to push him from Jacksonville, an hour away from Gainesville, to Bama with Shula, who was incompetent. Also, Dan Mullen wanted to sit Tebow and Percy Harvin in 2006 - as in they never see the field - ever. Meyer forced those two on the field. Without them, UF doesn't win that title in 06. Imagine having Tebow and Harvin show up and you immediately say, "meh, I'll keep them on the sideline the whole year."
In Mullen's entire career as a head coach - in the regular season he has never won a game against a ranked opponent when his team was ranked higher. In other words, when he has the better team, he loses every single time when facing a ranked opponent. That's getting less out of your talent. For someone with over a decade as a head coach, that's more than an indictment, that's closing the book on your worthiness to be a head coach.
Dan Mullen calls good plays. It starts and ends there. Even that is questionable if you watched his playcalling for AR15 before getting fired. Go watch that Georgia game and tell me he didn't orchestrate that Georgia Pick6 on his own. The man is petty and it's entirely realistic that he did that on purpose.
He has to have constant supervision and there must be someone there to override his core tendencies and his disastrous decision making. By the way, at UF he hired former Syracuse coach Paul Pasqualone (sp?) as "HC mentor" or some similar title. Didn't help him at UF - he requires a boss that can directly supervise and override. Handing him the keys to your program is negligence.
Dan Mullen is incompetent and is a pretty sad excuse for a man. He owes everything to Urban Meyer. Mullen has never and will never build anything or be a true leader. Meyer developed the spread option and was the real brain child for what happened at Bowling Green, Utah, then UF. Mullen was merely along for the ride.
He made it very clear while at UF that he wanted to move into the NFL - not only did he get no offers, he was summarily dismissed and laughed at by people in the NFL. The man has no self-awareness or situational awareness.
It astounds me that the college football world hasn't sniffed out the fraud that is Dan Mullen.
Any AD that hires Mullen should be fired on the spot.
He's lazy and essentially sabotaged UF on his way out the door. Got UF on probation, and a show cause order from the NCAA. Embarrassed the school with his behavior for the entire 2020 season. Anyone remember his whining after choking away the game at A&M? Instigating a fight with Mizzou then coming out as Darth Vader because he couldn't wait another 15 minutes before putting on a costume and just do the job that he was paid millions to do, remember that?
Awful at staff management. Do we really need to go over his handling of Todd Grantham? Terrible personality and is a net negative with regard to your recruiting. With Miami and FSU struggling unlike ever before in their histories, at the same time, he was not only unable to capitalize on it, his malfeasance, negligence, and complete laziness all contributed to their resurgence, FSU more so than Miami.
Stopped doing his job entirely and just mailed it in. Hiring Dan Mullen is the equivalent of waving the white flag and telling your fans you don't care about the program or the athletes.
I don't think people realize how awful he was in Gainesville.
No one gets less from more like Dan Mullen. Did everything he could to not play Dak at MSU, and was forced to play him after the starter got hurt, even though Dak was better, but Mullen had already decided to play the other guy and sit Dak another year. Did the same in Gainesville and did everything he could to not play Trask.
Mullen had Tebow for 3 years and the same knock on Tebow existed after 2008 that was there in 2006 - the throwing motion. When Mullen got hired to go to MSU after 2008, people in Gainesville were not sad to see him go. The talk was 'finally Tebow gets a QB coach that will teach him better mechanics and help him with regard to the draft'. Mullen didn't develop Tebow and he didn't develop Dak. These guys merely needed reps and it was Mullen that kept them off the field longer than they should have been.
It was Mullen that pushed Tim Tebow to Bama because of how weird he is - Meyer rescued that recruiting effort and got Tebow to UF. Look at the connections that Tebow has to UF and think how awful you must be to push him from Jacksonville, an hour away from Gainesville, to Bama with Shula, who was incompetent. Also, Dan Mullen wanted to sit Tebow and Percy Harvin in 2006 - as in they never see the field - ever. Meyer forced those two on the field. Without them, UF doesn't win that title in 06. Imagine having Tebow and Harvin show up and you immediately say, "meh, I'll keep them on the sideline the whole year."
In Mullen's entire career as a head coach - in the regular season he has never won a game against a ranked opponent when his team was ranked higher. In other words, when he has the better team, he loses every single time when facing a ranked opponent. That's getting less out of your talent. For someone with over a decade as a head coach, that's more than an indictment, that's closing the book on your worthiness to be a head coach.
Dan Mullen calls good plays. It starts and ends there. Even that is questionable if you watched his playcalling for AR15 before getting fired. Go watch that Georgia game and tell me he didn't orchestrate that Georgia Pick6 on his own. The man is petty and it's entirely realistic that he did that on purpose.
He has to have constant supervision and there must be someone there to override his core tendencies and his disastrous decision making. By the way, at UF he hired former Syracuse coach Paul Pasqualone (sp?) as "HC mentor" or some similar title. Didn't help him at UF - he requires a boss that can directly supervise and override. Handing him the keys to your program is negligence.
Dan Mullen is incompetent and is a pretty sad excuse for a man. He owes everything to Urban Meyer. Mullen has never and will never build anything or be a true leader. Meyer developed the spread option and was the real brain child for what happened at Bowling Green, Utah, then UF. Mullen was merely along for the ride.
He made it very clear while at UF that he wanted to move into the NFL - not only did he get no offers, he was summarily dismissed and laughed at by people in the NFL. The man has no self-awareness or situational awareness.
It astounds me that the college football world hasn't sniffed out the fraud that is Dan Mullen.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 10:51 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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Mullen reached out to Syracuse about the job.
Probably used Paul Pasqualone as an intermediary. They are friends and Mullen had him at UF as 'HC mentor' or 'HC advisor' or something like that.
If you're a HC with over a decade as a HC and you need to reach out for jobs, that means you suck.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 10:53 pm to POTUS2024
Sounds like a lot of sour grapes from someone with an axe to grind. 103-61 career record in the SEC.
Or maybe it's a job that interests him.
And Pasqualoni has an I at the end.
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If you're a HC with over a decade as a HC and you need to reach out for jobs, that means you suck.
Or maybe it's a job that interests him.
And Pasqualoni has an I at the end.
This post was edited on 11/24/23 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 11/24/23 at 11:03 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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Or maybe it's a job that interests him.
Maybe he wants to re-unite with Carlos Del Rio Wilson

I think he's still on the Orangemen.
But Mullen is a bit sentimental like that, he probably would go there just to coach him.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 11:26 pm to Partha
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Maybe he wants to re-unite with Carlos Del Rio Wilson
I think he's still on the Orangemen.
But Mullen is a bit sentimental like that, he probably would go there just to coach him.
CDRW started a few games ago. It was a catastrophe.
Ed O is an ex Syracuse guy. Him and Mullen were chatting pregame at BC/Miami.
Posted on 11/25/23 at 9:36 am to Partha
I’m surprised Michigan State doesn’t go after Mullen.
Posted on 11/25/23 at 10:12 am to Muahahaha
All I know is Mullen had some damn Dawgs on that defensive front for state.
Posted on 11/25/23 at 10:20 am to Partha
Honestly...it would a pretty good fit. Even if he doesn't prioritizing recruiting as much, he was absolutely checked out in 2021. Also, way less pressure there too
This post was edited on 11/25/23 at 10:21 am
Posted on 11/25/23 at 10:31 am to Partha
Could Mullen make stomping opponents popular in Syracuse?
Posted on 11/25/23 at 1:14 pm to Partha
What would he take that lousy job? Reside in a state with astronomical taxes and a crappy salary? No recruiting base whatsoever. Is he that desperate to coach again?
Posted on 11/25/23 at 3:39 pm to ChestRockwell
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What would he take that lousy job? Reside in a state with astronomical taxes and a crappy salary? No recruiting base whatsoever. Is he that desperate to coach again?
He's from the Northeast, was a GA there in 1998 and is really close friends with Paul Pasqualoni, former Cuse HC.
It's a good fit for him, he would be considered a good hire from them and won't have much pressure to win.
Posted on 11/25/23 at 3:56 pm to Partha
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What would he take that lousy job? Reside in a state with astronomical taxes and a crappy salary? No recruiting base whatsoever. Is he that desperate to coach again?
He's from the Northeast, was a GA there in 1998 and is really close friends with Paul Pasqualoni, former Cuse HC.
It's a good fit for him, he would be considered a good hire from them and won't have much pressure to win.
There are others reasons to take the job. The pressure thing is right, he'll have time to succeed.
The taxes thing is wrong, Upstate NY taxes are much less than NYC metro area. The crappy salary is wrong. They paid Dino $4 million a year, Mullen will get market rate. The no recruiting base is wrong, as Syracuse has traditionally recruited NY, NJ, PA, MD, OH, CT, DE, etc. Sometimes Florida.
Posted on 11/26/23 at 10:39 am to Partha
Define pressure? Syracuse lets it's coaches stay 8 years winning 7 games a year. That's a terrible job, awful recruiting base. Mullen is a way better coach to even sniff that place.
Posted on 11/26/23 at 12:21 pm to ChestRockwell
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Define pressure?
- Playing for and winning conference championships.
- Getting a recruiting class that is at least ranked in the top 25.
- Expecting to elevate a program over a period of time.
- Hiring quality staff members and holding them accountable if they underperform
-Winning games you should win 19/20 times while occasionally winning a game or two that you shouldn't
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Syracuse lets it's coaches stay 8 years winning 7 games a year. That's a terrible job, awful recruiting base.
Sounds perfect for Dan Mullen.
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Mullen is a way better coach to even sniff that place.
He's a 6-8 win a year coach at best who can't recruit to save his life. Honestly Cuse is the perfect fit for him.
This post was edited on 11/26/23 at 12:23 pm
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