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Posted on 11/9/11 at 7:04 pm to
Posted by HoLeInOnEr05
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Posted on 11/9/11 at 7:04 pm to
Anyone think the Heels would be a good fit for a big time coach?
Posted by VABuckeye
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Posted on 11/9/11 at 7:14 pm to
Basketball school. It depends on who you're up against for the big time coach. If it's Ohio State, fuggetaboutit.
Posted by Royal Tiger Fan
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Posted on 11/9/11 at 7:24 pm to
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Anyone think the Heels would be a good fit for a big time coach?


If i was a coach I would love to go to UNC. Nice campus, beautiful facilities, located close enough to get FL, NC, SC, and GA talent.
Posted by HoLeInOnEr05
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Posted on 11/9/11 at 8:23 pm to
I wish they wouldn't have fired Butch!
Posted by HubbaBubba
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Posted on 11/9/11 at 10:03 pm to
Chicken - time to update your OP with Paterno out.
Posted by ottothewise
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Posted on 11/9/11 at 10:48 pm to
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Penn State (NYT: PSU planning his exit amid scandall)


who would want to coach there anytime soon?


there are many State Penn alumni who are former NFL all star pro's and or present HCs who would be able to recruit western PA and northern NJ. I bet some of them will apply.
Al Golden, now at Miami, the U, and Greg Schiano (sp?) at Rutgers.
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 11/9/11 at 11:00 pm to
PSU job is an incredibly sticky situation on many fronts

Political: the worst thing to be now is anyone associated with PSU from 1990 to 2011. The admin will be under incredible pressure to clean house and avoid any ties to Paterno or Sandusky so Schiano, Golden, et al are all out as candidates. Plus there is the issue of hiring a School President, and an AD while also trying to hire a head coach. No HC worth a damn will want to come in there without knowing who the admins are going to be. But the longer it takes to get an admin in place and get a coach hired the worse the program falls behind in recruiting and stature.

Cultural: the worst thing that could happen is Sandusky fights, goes to trial and the whole thing drags on for months. If Sandusky takes a plea then then the confession from Sandusky that would be mandatory with his plea deal then feeds the damages lawsuit from the victims and puts the payout from university into the multi millions. The new coach will have to be an iron arse that can control the media, control the message and rebuild the program's stature as a place a parent would want their son to play football.


Financial: they have to spend BIG bucks to get a home run hire that is completely outside of the PSU program. The revenue generator for the University is football and they will see a significant drop in donations, ticket sales, etc. So they will need to pay big which gives all the coach's agents tremendous leverage in negotiations. Add to that the millions upon millions they will be paying victims and PSU is in a catch 22. The university will have to overpay for a coach with a stellar track record while also paying out millions in damages. But they have to have a coach that will keep revenues up to pay the damages and keep PSU athletics in the black

recruiting: No matter who they hire, they will be toast for quite a while with the negative recruiting tactics of other schools raiding the fertile PSU recruiting region.

competition for candidates: with tOSU job open, PSU is not even the best available job. Plus you have the added degree of difficulty in replacing JoePa and his 56 year legacy.

Everybody will say Saban to PSU, but at 60 does he want this kind of situation? I dont see it. Meyer would have to be the odds on favorite for tOSU. Can't go with a young and unproven guy because the stakes are too high. So who do they get that wants the job and is willing to take on this incredibly difficult situation?
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 11/9/11 at 11:09 pm to
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Everybody will say Saban to PSU, but at 60 does he want this kind of situation? I dont see it. Meyer would have to be the odds on favorite for tOSU. Can't go with a young and unproven guy because the stakes are too high. So who do they get that wants the job and is willing to take on this incredibly difficult situation?



Than can give Saban a 10-year guaranteed contract. He would have absolute power, because they couldn't afford the freight any other way - he might even take a smidgeon less money (like $3.4m to $3.75m, with possible bonuses). The idea of rebuilding after this, not having to deal with Bama boosters/fans, etc., and this really being his final stop might be enough of a package to get him there. I'm not sure it's likely, but it's possible. He has stated this is his dream job - albeit this is not his dream situation.

I think Golden and Schiano are out because they want an absolute clean break. This is where NFL guys who want to try college coaching might be possible - Dungy or Gruden, but then, there would have to be a HC quality assistant to help with recruiting as neither guy has done that - ditto for Cowher. Dungy and Cowher aren't spring chickens either - Dungy's never really expressed interest in coaching college and Cowher has only, ever, mentioned NC State. Gruden would be an interesting candidate here, if he's interested.

I still think the top 3 are Golden, Meyer and Saban. After that, PSU is scrambling. Golden may be out because of his ties with Paterno, but at least he's not directly connected to Sandusky - he was TE playing and didn't coach linebackers until Sandusky retired (but he was still Emeritus, so Golden was around while some of that $hit was going on).

It's way too early, and it is almost never the first guy you think of (Meyer) - because he's unemployed, he might take it - as others have said, though - his eye is on tOSU.
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 11/9/11 at 11:18 pm to
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Than can give Saban a 10-year guaranteed contract. He would have absolute power, because they couldn't afford the freight any other way - he might even take a smidgeon less money (like $3.4m to $3.75m, with possible bonuses). The idea of rebuilding after this, not having to deal with Bama boosters/fans, etc., and this really being his final stop might be enough of a package to get him there. I'm not sure it's likely, but it's possible. He has stated this is his dream job - albeit this is not his dream situation.


I see Saban at BAMA for another 3 or 4 years and then Kirby Smart gets the BAMA job. No way Saban would even consider the PSU job without knowing who the AD and Pres are going to be. Plus Sexton will squeeze BAMA for more money with PSU in the background and they will pay it to keep Saban.

Gruden to PSU? ehhhh he has a cushy job that lets him stay relevant while also being around his kids and I firmly believe he is waiting out Reid at Philly.

Meyer is tOSU's to lose and I doubt they let him get away.

If I am the admins at PSU I seriously look at Tom Coughlin first, second and third. He is 65, from Waterloo, NY and he is exactly the kind of no-nonsense guy they need. He has a superb pro and college track record and his time with the NYG is slowly coming to an end. I could see the Giants winning the East, getting rolled in the playoffs and that gives PSU time to get the AD on board. Then Coughlin comes over in January, they scrap whatever recruiting together they can and move on.

just a hunch
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 11/9/11 at 11:29 pm to
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If I am the admins at PSU I seriously look at Tom Coughlin first, second and third. He is 65, from Waterloo, NY and he is exactly the kind of no-nonsense guy they need. He has a superb pro and college track record and his time with the NYG is slowly coming to an end.


Very intriguing, but by the time he inked the final details on his contract and finished his first recruiting class, you'd have to start thinking about his replacement. I think you can reasonably expect 70, but guys like Joe Pa and Bobby Bowden coaching til they are 80 are over (and those were anomalies anyway).

Couchlin has been a position coach, coordinator and HC (briefly) at the collegiate level, but that most recent experience was almost 20 years ago. He would still need an A-grade assistant (DC,most likely) currently in CFB - of course that could be your head coach in waiting - to help with the current recruiting environment, etc.

You wouldn't have that hiring a Meyer, Saban, Schiano, Golden, etc. (Of course, I indicated that would be true for the NFL guys I mentioned).
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 11/9/11 at 11:32 pm to
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No way Saban would even consider the PSU job without knowing who the AD and Pres are going to be.


Yeah, but that's another thing - if he's offered the job first, and conditionally accepts (non-binding) he can insist on unofficial input into AD and Pres, effectively having a say in hiring his bosses. This is exactly the kind of $hit he tried to pull at LSU and turned the board and administration against him. PSU would be in no position to refuse.

That's why I see it's possible (and I said, maybe not likely), just possible, because of this very power move.

Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 11/9/11 at 11:32 pm to
No way a PSU guy from 1990-2011 gets the job. Too much stigma.

I know it is a stretch but Coughlin would be a CEO type and a five year stopgap. The program is run by the two Co-ordinators now so that wouldn't be a big deal.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 11/10/11 at 2:56 am to
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Hot Seat:


Mike Sherman (worst record than Franchione after almost 4 full seasons, 5 3rd quarter collapses in the same season, buyout clause added to his contract before the season)

Posted by Titus Pullo
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Posted on 11/10/11 at 9:18 am to
Can someone fill me in on when/where Saban said Penn St was his "dream job"? I've heard this for awhile but never knew where it came from. Or is it a rumor that has hung around so long that it eventually just became accepted as "fact"?

TIA
Posted by theGarnetWay
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Posted on 11/10/11 at 9:18 am to
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If i was a coach I would love to go to UNC. Nice campus, beautiful facilities, located close enough to get FL, NC, SC, and GA talent.


Well its a basketball first school in a basketball first state. Not to mention you cheat once and you're gone. Making success difficult for any big time coach at any school.
Posted by VABuckeye
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Posted on 11/10/11 at 12:39 pm to
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He would have absolute power


No one is getting absolute power at Penn State for a long, long time. They're going to have many checks and balances in place at that school for the forseeable future.
Posted by Pedro
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Posted on 11/10/11 at 8:16 pm to
Joker on the hot seat?
Posted by Kissinger11
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 11/10/11 at 10:38 pm to
Predictions
Penn State: Greg Schiano
Ohio State Gary Patterson
Ole Miss Larry Fedora
Arizona : Dave Christensen
North Carolina: Skip Holtz
Tulane Rich Rodriguez
New Mexico : Jason Phillips

Posted by Buckeye Fan 19
Member since Dec 2007
36430 posts
Posted on 11/10/11 at 10:49 pm to
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Ohio State (interim coach must re-apply for job)


Just for what it's worth, Fickell is technically not the interim coach, and he does not need to "re-apply".
Posted by dr smartass phd
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Posted on 11/11/11 at 12:23 am to
I was thinking tonight who could handle this shite storm and fix it. I hate to say it, but Les fits all the criteria to right the ship. If he wins his 2nd crystal ball, he will be hot property.
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