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re: McCarthy could be on way out
Posted on 12/11/08 at 8:52 am to 58Flash
Posted on 12/11/08 at 8:52 am to 58Flash
I think you have to see what a coach does over a few years to get a real feel for them.
That being said, I'm not that impressed with the dropped balls, problems lining up and lack of concentration as far as the WRs go so far in McCarthy's tenure.
That being said, I'm not that impressed with the dropped balls, problems lining up and lack of concentration as far as the WRs go so far in McCarthy's tenure.
Posted on 12/11/08 at 8:58 am to TiegerTim
Very interesting that Sarkisian is now the head coach who runs a wide oped style offense and D.J. McCarthy may be interested in a job at UofW. We just put in charge of recruiting the #1 WR or player for that matter. Best thing for us is that it is damn cold in Washington.
Posted on 12/11/08 at 9:04 am to Suntiger
W haven't really had too many problems lining up this year. Not as many as last year, anyway.
Posted on 12/11/08 at 9:53 am to amiznit
Dj McCarthy is a very good wr coach. People have inflated the talent he's had to work with. He doesn't have a dewayne bowe or buster davis to work with.
Doucet was hurt most of the year last year. Lafel has improved. D byrd is head case and the two mitchel's just not as talented as they were rated coming out of high school.
All in all, the group is a good group. Above average. However, none of them are great. You can't blame a coach for a guy not having the inner drive or will to be great.
Is williams a better wr coach because julio is better than d.j. hall? Talent is the decisive factor.
Bottom line, McCarthy is a good wr coach. He's a hell of recruiter, he's played the position, and he's developed multiple players to become n.f.l. wr's. That's what you want in a wr coach. He got a good class last year. If he hauls in debose and randle, all of sudden, mccarthy becomes a great wr coach.
Doucet was hurt most of the year last year. Lafel has improved. D byrd is head case and the two mitchel's just not as talented as they were rated coming out of high school.
All in all, the group is a good group. Above average. However, none of them are great. You can't blame a coach for a guy not having the inner drive or will to be great.
Is williams a better wr coach because julio is better than d.j. hall? Talent is the decisive factor.
Bottom line, McCarthy is a good wr coach. He's a hell of recruiter, he's played the position, and he's developed multiple players to become n.f.l. wr's. That's what you want in a wr coach. He got a good class last year. If he hauls in debose and randle, all of sudden, mccarthy becomes a great wr coach.
Posted on 12/11/08 at 9:59 am to dos crystal
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He doesn't have a dewayne bowe or buster davis to work with.
lafell = d bowe
TT > buster davis
byrd can only run 1 route well, the go
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and the two mitchel's just not as talented as they were rated coming out of high school.
chris? maybe
jared? he's talented as hell but hasn't made improvements, mainly in catching the ball. he may be our best WR after the catch
Posted on 12/11/08 at 10:30 am to SlowFlowPro
The WRs lost confidence in Lee and lost focus catching the ball. It is McCarthy's job to keep them motivated and focused.
And on the talent, do we need to have all first round draft picks to not drop the ball?? This is no excuse.
And on the talent, do we need to have all first round draft picks to not drop the ball?? This is no excuse.
Posted on 12/11/08 at 10:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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TT > buster davis
how?
Posted on 12/11/08 at 10:42 am to ATLTiger
S.F.P.
Lafell is no bowe, he's not as physical. bowe was better at blocking and making a play on the ball. Lafell waits for the ball to come to him. Bowe would get physical with the db's and win that battle.
T.T. is not a buster davis at this point in his career. He's light, can't block, he's not as fast, and i'd say it's hard to even think he has as good as hands because buster had some of the best hands in school history.
Does t.t. have "potential" yes. He must grow, become more physical, then he "can" get to the level as bowe or davis. He did make good stride's this year. he was the one wr who would play the ball vs. let the ball play him.
Won't comment on the mitchell's. They would not start for most elite programs in the country. That should tell you everything.
Lafell is no bowe, he's not as physical. bowe was better at blocking and making a play on the ball. Lafell waits for the ball to come to him. Bowe would get physical with the db's and win that battle.
T.T. is not a buster davis at this point in his career. He's light, can't block, he's not as fast, and i'd say it's hard to even think he has as good as hands because buster had some of the best hands in school history.
Does t.t. have "potential" yes. He must grow, become more physical, then he "can" get to the level as bowe or davis. He did make good stride's this year. he was the one wr who would play the ball vs. let the ball play him.
Won't comment on the mitchell's. They would not start for most elite programs in the country. That should tell you everything.
Posted on 12/11/08 at 11:16 am to dos crystal
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dos crystal
good post

Posted on 12/11/08 at 11:24 am to dos crystal
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He's a hell of recruiter,
can't argue there.
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Bottom line, McCarthy is a good wr coach.
I'm not saying he is good or not. I really think it's too early to tell. Again, there are good things and bad things but the lack of concentration and dropped balls this year has been a killer and the inability to line up correctly last year was rediculous.
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He doesn't have a dewayne bowe or buster davis to work with.
I love D Bowe and Buster as well, but those were Sr. wide outs your talking about. TT, LaFell and Byrd are outstanding talents, and in some ways more talented than Bowe, Buster and Doucet.
I don't think you can realisticly say that talent is the problem.
Posted on 12/11/08 at 11:30 am to drddillon
quote:You've never been to Seattle have you? Certainly it's colder, but it's pretty mild considering how far north it is. Puget Sound really moderates the weather.
Best thing for us is that it is damn cold in Washington.
Posted on 12/11/08 at 11:41 am to Indiana Tiger
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I love D Bowe and Buster as well, but those were Sr. wide outs your talking about. TT, LaFell and Byrd are outstanding talents, and in some ways more talented than Bowe, Buster and Doucet.
I don't think you can realisticly say that talent is the problem.
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The draft will tell us. The prior three were two first rounders and a second rounder.
The fact lafel came out of high school as middle of the road wr and now being discussed with kid's who came out of high school ranked at the top of their position then drafted in the first and second round, supports the belief Mccarthy is developing someone.
I love D Bowe and Buster as well, but those were Sr. wide outs your talking about. TT, LaFell and Byrd are outstanding talents, and in some ways more talented than Bowe, Buster and Doucet.
I don't think you can realisticly say that talent is the problem.
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The draft will tell us. The prior three were two first rounders and a second rounder.
The fact lafel came out of high school as middle of the road wr and now being discussed with kid's who came out of high school ranked at the top of their position then drafted in the first and second round, supports the belief Mccarthy is developing someone.
Posted on 12/11/08 at 12:05 pm to BilJ
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and wow he got a talent like Toliver to play ok? Man thats awesome
Anyone who followed TT's recruiting knew he would be a project in the first place. Dude showed up 170 pounds soaking wet on a 6'5 frame...
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yea man just ignore the drops,
Coaches cause drops? Should we have canned Monken when Bowe dropped everything in sight (before we knew it was an eye problem)?
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lazy blocking
I think this has a lot more to do with the overall demeanor of the team. Frustrated players = lazy effort. Again, it's not really the WR coaches job to ensure his players don't play lazy.
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poor route running
He can be single handedly credited for Lafell's development as a damn fine route runner.
Byrd has an attitude problem and his arrogance probably had more to do with his lack of development than anything.
Can't think of anyone else who really runs poor routes...
Posted on 12/11/08 at 12:09 pm to rbdallas
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I have seen no signs of improvement by our receivers.
Lafell 07:
50 catches, 656 yards, 13.2 ypr, 4 TDs
Lafell 08:
61 catches, 903 yards, 14.8 ypr, 8 TDs
So yeah, Lafell's numbers improved in every category, including going up in ypr despite having more catches... WITH shitty QB play... and he didn't improve at all.

Posted on 12/11/08 at 12:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
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TT > buster davis
That's bullshite.
You can't even make a claim like that because there is absolutely zero evidence to support it, but I'm sure you'll cite TT's 5 star Rivals status.
TT was not ready to play SEC ball when he came out. In fact, he's still tiny as shite. Add to the fact that the coaches haven't been pleased with his effort in practice and there you have the reason why he's failed to make a huge splash...
Posted on 12/11/08 at 12:21 pm to Suntiger
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I really think it's too early to tell.
Agreed.
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the inability to line up correctly last year was rediculous.
2 things:
1) Crowton has been notorious for this throughout his career. It was one reason Oregon fans weren't too sad to see him go.
2) We were installing a completely new offense... so that should count for something.
Posted on 12/11/08 at 12:25 pm to ATLTiger
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Nah. 06 the line played really well, last year good not great.
Without checking, I'm pretty sure sacks, TFLs and hurries have gone down every year since he's been here including his first year. There were big question marks about why our line couldn't generate more pressure/pass rush the last several years.
Posted on 12/11/08 at 12:38 pm to OBUDan
While he may not be the greatest WR coach in the world, he's not bad. He has coached 5 WRs to the NFL, he's not hurting anyone's careers heh.
For those who want to see him leave, so be it...there is no guarantee the guy who would replace him would be an improvement - but if you want to see LSU lose out on Debose and Randle, go for it.
For those who want to see him leave, so be it...there is no guarantee the guy who would replace him would be an improvement - but if you want to see LSU lose out on Debose and Randle, go for it.
Posted on 12/11/08 at 12:46 pm to LSUchick2007
So are we going to hire Jerry Rice this time? 

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