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Laugh but wasn't Hal Mumme an offensive guru

Posted on 12/1/09 at 3:29 pm
Posted by FLObserver
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Posted on 12/1/09 at 3:29 pm
minus all the NCAA stuff.Had the NCaa not been investigating us on this recent coach i would have liked to see Hal's offense run. We could have put up some numbers. Loved watching tim couch run that offense. Didn't say Mumme was a good head coach but as an OC i think it would be fun to watch
This post was edited on 12/1/09 at 3:33 pm
Posted by LSUtigahs28
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Posted on 12/1/09 at 3:42 pm to
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minus all the NCAA stuff.Had the NCaa not been investigating us on this recent coach i would have liked to see Hal's offense run. We could have put up some numbers. Loved watching tim couch run that offense. Didn't say Mumme was a good head coach but as an OC i think it would be fun to watch


Why would you bring in a guy with a huge black mark on him, when there are a shite ton of Mumme disciples running around?
Posted by TigerBait45
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Posted on 12/1/09 at 4:18 pm to
I adore the Air Raid.

Hal Mumme was the most interesting thing to happen to the SEC, other than the Ball Coach, in a long time.
Posted by FLObserver
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Posted on 12/1/09 at 4:18 pm to
My point was Mumme did it against SEC competiton not like all these disciples you speak of
Posted by TigerBait45
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Posted on 12/1/09 at 4:21 pm to
The thing about his offense is that it really isn't that complex

it's just really hard to stop if you execute it well.
Posted by jlc05
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Posted on 12/1/09 at 4:29 pm to
Mumme working under Miles? Won't happen.
Posted by Jason
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Posted on 12/1/09 at 4:30 pm to
Yeah Mumme would come with some baggage I think, but he would still do quite well in my opinion. The offense that’s currently being run at Middle Tenn State, Texas Tech, Houston, Troy, Tulsa, Arizona, Stephen F Austin, etc is the same exact offense that Mumme runs. It's the ole "Air Raid" offense that Mumme created and then He, Mike Leach and Tony Franklin put it together into a systematic, detailed with a fine comb system that is exploding across the country and having huge success not only in major college football but is winning state championships across the country in high schools and winning national championships in college football at Division 1-AA, Division II, Division III & NAIA.

Louisiana schools that are using it with great success off the top of my head are; Evangel committed to it last year, Belle Chase started doing it last year and they won the championship in 4-A. Louisiana College committed to it last year and have broken school records each year and have had back to back winning seasons. LC has gone 7-3 the last 2 years after not having a winning season since the 60’s. LC also just finished 6-2 in their conference which is like the SEC of Division III football.
It’s a great system that opens up anything you want to do running and throwing the football and never limits you or handcuffs you. If LSU ever committed to it with someone like Dana Holgerson running the show with the sick skill guys we have at LSU it would be just flat out sick.


Posted by Jason
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Posted on 12/1/09 at 4:31 pm to
Your right TigerBait it's not hard or complex at all but my God is it ever diverse and you can do anything you want from an offensive standpoint out of it. I run it and I love the stuff.

Posted by TigerBait45
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Posted on 12/1/09 at 4:34 pm to
Chris Hatcher runs it at..Valdosta State? I can't remember exactly but he wins a lot.

Hell, even Norm Chow has a lot of Air Raid-esque stuff in his offense. It's a hell of a system but it gets downplayed as a gimmick because of how Mumme's career turned out, imo.

The mesh route is absolute perfection lol
Posted by LSUtigahs28
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Posted on 12/1/09 at 4:38 pm to
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My point was Mumme did it against SEC competiton not like all these disciples you speak of


Jesus Christ I wish we would stop this whole SEC another level thing. The SEC is best conference in the nation, but its still NCAA football.

This reeks of the same stupidity that people said before Spurrier or Meyer came and dominated.

The Air Raid is a really simple offense. Watch a Texas Tech game and look to see how big his playsheet is. Hint: Its tiny.
Posted by Jason
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Posted on 12/1/09 at 4:41 pm to
Yes the Mesh and the Shallow concepts are gorgeous for sure People that have no clue about what we are talking about won't ever get it either. The concepts are perfect and once you get good at the concepts all the endless tags and checks you can add to all the concepts make the offense almost impossible to stop. Just imagine what this offense would look like with a bunch of 6"3 Deer who jump out the gym getting in open space and letting their God given ability take over. Gwwaaaa it would be just sick.

Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 12/1/09 at 4:43 pm to
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Yeah Mumme would come with some baggage I think,


yeah, you could say that
Posted by Jason
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Posted on 12/1/09 at 4:43 pm to
I know, thats what the arm chair guys who never played or coached the game don't understand of how simple of a system it really is to run and execute. It's easy for the players to learn as well, and it's the most QB friendly system there is out there today.

Posted by TigerBait45
Moreauville, Louisiana
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Posted on 12/1/09 at 4:50 pm to
I've got a man crush on June Jones..and Mouse Davis too, really.

I spend way too much time studying up on the Run 'n Shoot lol

I love the spread passing game.
Posted by LSUtigahs28
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 12/1/09 at 4:51 pm to
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I know, thats what the arm chair guys who never played or coached the game don't understand of how simple of a system it really is to run and execute. It's easy for the players to learn as well, and it's the most QB friendly system there is out there today.


His entire passing scheme was essentially 10 plays.

I would also like to point out for the "HE DID IT IN THE SEC!!!" people, he did in the SEC a career best season of 7-5
Posted by Jason
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Posted on 12/1/09 at 5:04 pm to
"His entire passing scheme was essentially 10 plays"

Well it's actually 12 concepts with built in read progression through each concept. But once you start adding in the tags or changing one route here and there the passing game can open up and become just sick. It's the type of offense you can use with any personal group and skill set and any formation you want to use it's not just a 5 Wide and chunk type of offense. There is so many variables to it that make it the best offense out there to run in my opinion and I have seen every offense you can see and I think it's the most organized and detailed system I have ever seen. The thing that makes it so special is that it's so simple at it's core and foundation.

"I would also like to point out for the "HE DID IT IN THE SEC!!!" people, he did in the SEC a career best season of 7-5"

Yeah God knows he had some really world changing athletes at the skill positions to work with while at UK thats for sure.
This post was edited on 12/1/09 at 5:05 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/1/09 at 5:08 pm to
mumme's OC was mike leach
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/1/09 at 5:09 pm to
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The offense that’s currently being run at Middle Tenn State, Texas Tech, Houston, Troy, Tulsa, Arizona, Stephen F Austin, etc

i see at least 2 spread option teams in that list
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/1/09 at 5:11 pm to
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Yeah God knows he had some really world changing athletes at the skill positions to work with while at UK thats for sure.

brooks has UK at a much higher level
Posted by Jason
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 12/1/09 at 5:19 pm to
"i see at least 2 spread option teams in that list"

You may see them use the option out of the spread which is part of the system but those coaches and OC's at the schools I listed do run the same system. I know because I run the same system and we all know who is in the system and who runs it.
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