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re: Just a reminder Steve Ensminger IS our OC...we AREN’T looking for one
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:31 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:31 am to Bjorn Cyborg
it was going to, the guy was going to be paid elite OC money
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Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:33 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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This is the issue I have with this whole debate. It's obvious that the program has moved to a completely new offense. Everyone from Orgeron on down has bought into it.
It's lazy thinking that they would just revert back.
Implementing an offense and calling plays on game-day are two different skills and responsibilities.
The offense has been implemented. Insinuating the offense will now change is just being contrarian.
Yeah but you don't "implement" an offense once and it's there to stay forever. It has to be taught to players every year because there's player turnover. Who do we think taught the offense this season, Ensminger or Brady?
You think we can just roll out the same exact offense this season and everything is good to go?
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:34 am to LSU Bayou Tiger
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Obviously, no one is pursuing Steve Ensminger cause they all know that he is dedicated to LSU
Ah yes, that's the reason.
You need to be on some Alzheimer's meds gramps.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:37 am to Goldrush25
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You think we can just roll out the same exact offense this season and everything is good to go?
Well...YEAH! Outside of collaborating with Brady on his scheme to implement it, SE did everything and became an offensive GURU and elite play caller.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:39 am to BilJ
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it was going to, the guy was going to be paid elite OC money
Possibly. No one knows how that situation was going to play out. They could've been co-OC, he could've got the full promotion. LSU was very vague, if the contract/MOA was even legit to begin with. I believe they knew he was leaving and it was all for show.
The fact is that he was never paid more than Ensminger. In fact, Ensminger made almost as much in bonuses at Brady's entire salary.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:42 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Possibly. No one knows how that situation was going to play out
okPosted on 1/20/20 at 11:47 am to Goldrush25
You think he taught the players, but did not teach the coaches?
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:48 am to BilJ
Do tell ...
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:51 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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You think he taught the players, but did not teach the coaches?
do you actually believe its just that simple?
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:56 am to BilJ
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do you actually believe its just that simple?
I wouldn't say it's simple. However, are you insinuating that professional coaches paid combined millions of dollars, can't learn an offense in a full year?
That's ridiculous.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 12:01 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
anyone can learn an offense, using it effectively and successfully is completely different and much more nuanced.
You can take anyone's playbook if you want it.
You can take anyone's playbook if you want it.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 12:18 pm to BilJ
I love Brady and hated to see him leave. I would've been happy throwing Aranda money at him to stay.
But the caricature that he was some kind of one-man wrecking crew that did everything, taught every route, ran every drill, called every play, and is irreplaceable, is a farce.
Coaches regularly hire or consult with coaches who have experience running schemes to teach their staff new offenses, defenses, concepts, etc.
Bear Bryant famously installed the wishbone in 1971. He sent his offensive staff to Austin to learn it directly from Darrell Royal. They learned it over a summer and ran it for years after.
The legit question is whether Ensminger can be the play caller on possibly 100 percent of the calls, rather than the maybe 50 percent he was this year.
But the caricature that he was some kind of one-man wrecking crew that did everything, taught every route, ran every drill, called every play, and is irreplaceable, is a farce.
Coaches regularly hire or consult with coaches who have experience running schemes to teach their staff new offenses, defenses, concepts, etc.
Bear Bryant famously installed the wishbone in 1971. He sent his offensive staff to Austin to learn it directly from Darrell Royal. They learned it over a summer and ran it for years after.
The legit question is whether Ensminger can be the play caller on possibly 100 percent of the calls, rather than the maybe 50 percent he was this year.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 12:31 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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I love Brady and hated to see him leave. I would've been happy throwing Aranda money at him to stay.
But the caricature that he was some kind of one-man wrecking crew that did everything, taught every route, ran every drill, called every play, and is irreplaceable, is a farce.
Coaches regularly hire or consult with coaches who have experience running schemes to teach their staff new offenses, defenses, concepts, etc.
Bear Bryant famously installed the wishbone in 1971. He sent his offensive staff to Austin to learn it directly from Darrell Royal. They learned it over a summer and ran it for years after.
The legit question is whether Ensminger can be the play caller on possibly 100 percent of the calls, rather than the maybe 50 percent he was this year.
Extremely well said.
We won the national championship and the very next day, at the first sign of adversity, the usual suspects are out going full panic mode.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 12:46 pm to whitefoot
Our fans are very fragile. I was hoping a national championship might heal some of that, but alas no.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 12:48 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Our fans are very fragile. I was hoping a national championship might heal some of that, but alas no.
Our fans are very complacent.
People are having actual logical objective conversations and all you and your ilk resort to thinking we are just miserable and hate everything LSU. It's ok to have different opinions and to discuss them with facts and a clear basis.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 12:53 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Coaches regularly hire or consult with coaches who have experience running schemes to teach their staff new offenses, defenses, concepts, etc.
Bear Bryant famously installed the wishbone in 1971. He sent his offensive staff to Austin to learn it directly from Darrell Royal. They learned it over a summer and ran it for years after.
The legit question is whether Ensminger can be the play caller on possibly 100 percent of the calls, rather than the maybe 50 percent he was this year.
Right, it's just about which button E is pressing on the controller for the play calls. No more. 65 year olds always pick up new schemes from others and flawlessly use them in place of what they've been doing for the prior 30 years.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 1:08 pm to Magician2
I see no evidence of complacency in this thread. You just assume that anyone who disagrees with you is complacent.
And my posts on this topic have been very logical, objective and detailed.
My opinion is that the offense is installed and won't change. I believe one year is enough time for our coaching staff to have learned it and implemented it, and will be able to teach it going forward.
The main question is about Ensminger as a play-caller. There are questions about how much of the plays he called, anywhere from 50-80 percent. Even on the low-end, if he called half the offense he should be able to call all of it. He has extensive play-calling experience, where Brady had none.
Still, play-calling is a completely legit concern.
And my posts on this topic have been very logical, objective and detailed.
My opinion is that the offense is installed and won't change. I believe one year is enough time for our coaching staff to have learned it and implemented it, and will be able to teach it going forward.
The main question is about Ensminger as a play-caller. There are questions about how much of the plays he called, anywhere from 50-80 percent. Even on the low-end, if he called half the offense he should be able to call all of it. He has extensive play-calling experience, where Brady had none.
Still, play-calling is a completely legit concern.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 1:08 pm to whitefoot
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We won the national championship and the very next day, at the first sign of adversity, the usual suspects are out going full panic mode.
It’s not panic. They just need to hire someone to run the offense. Saying Ensminger isn’t the answer isn’t panicking. Anyone with a brain knows he isn’t the answer.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 1:14 pm to Maximus
Did you even read my post? I said play calling is a legit question.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 1:19 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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You think he taught the players, but did not teach the coaches?
Of course he did, but these concepts are not static. They change based on personnel and the opponent.
I don't believe what worked last year will work next year. If we had the exact same schedule and the exact same personnel, sure I'd trust E to do pretty damn well. But we're going to have a new QB, new starting RB, new OL, a couple of new WRs, and new opponents.
Most importantly, they'll have to adapt this offense to what best suits Brennan's skill set. I'm skeptical that E can get that done.
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