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re: Jon Embree plays race card regarding his firing
Posted on 11/27/12 at 12:12 pm to extremetigerfanatic
Posted on 11/27/12 at 12:12 pm to extremetigerfanatic
The answer is one Charlie Weiss who just finished his first season at Kansas.
There is one more who didn't lose his job after one win. D walker at NMstate. (not bcs)
Nah bro. It's a conspiracy to fire black coaches who win one game.
Joker Phillips is shaking his head somewhere.
There is one more who didn't lose his job after one win. D walker at NMstate. (not bcs)
Nah bro. It's a conspiracy to fire black coaches who win one game.
Joker Phillips is shaking his head somewhere.
This post was edited on 11/27/12 at 12:16 pm
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Posted on 11/27/12 at 12:57 pm to Rocket
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What conspiracies?
You believe that blacks need some form of extra advantage just to get and keep a HC gig. So either
a) you think blacks are not capable of doing so on their own
or
b) that evil white people are actively trying to keep blacks from succeeding, regardless if it actually hurts said white person's own self interest.
both choices are equally ridiculous.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 12:59 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
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Brian Kelly getting ND to an undefeated record against an over-rated schedule in his 3rd year put some added pressure on new coaches who don't seem to be making progress.
I think this started in 2000 when Bob Stoops won a national title in his second season. Few programs are patient enough to allow even one recruiting class four years with a coaching staff, if a win plateau isn't reached.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 1:35 pm to jcole4lsu
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You believe that blacks need some form of extra advantage just to get and keep a HC gig
Incorrect.
Having a rule to make organizations interview black candidates they would not otherwise interview is not an extra advantage. That rule does not put a limit on how many coaches you can interview. You can interview 50 white coaches but as long as one black guy gets interviewed, it's cool. But apparently that's too much for you.
The advancement of black coaches isn't a huge concern to me. But to the people it is important, feel there still needs to be a mechanism in place for teams to at least consider a black guy.
I bet you think Jackie Robinson was the first black to be able to play MLB too
Posted on 11/27/12 at 1:39 pm to Rocket
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But apparently that's too much for you.
the rule isnt needed any longer. the rooney rule isnt why blacks are being hired as head coaches - successful black coaches are the reason blacks are hired as head coaches. the rule simply provided a catalyst, and much like a booster rocket, isnt needed once its objective has been obtained and can be jettisoned.
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I bet you think Jackie Robinson was the first black to be able to play MLB too
incorrect, but keep making baseless accusations. they are serving you well so far in this thread
Posted on 11/27/12 at 1:41 pm to Rocket
So we are comparing 1947 to 2012 now?
Ding ding. Winner post right there.
Dammit. When we gonna get us a black president?
WHEN?
Fun thread. Will post more
Ding ding. Winner post right there.
Dammit. When we gonna get us a black president?
WHEN?
Fun thread. Will post more
Posted on 11/27/12 at 1:43 pm to jcole4lsu
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the rule isnt needed any longer
Says who?
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the rule simply provided a catalyst, and much like a booster rocket, isnt needed once its objective has been obtained and can be jettisoned.
Are you meeting with Goodell to have this rule thrown out?
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incorrect, but keep making baseless accusations. they are serving you well so far in this thread
I was making a point in all of that but it was lost on you
Posted on 11/27/12 at 1:44 pm to extremetigerfanatic
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So we are comparing 1947 to 2012 now?
The Rooney Rule wasn't implemented that long ago.
People who want it overturned are the people who don't want things to change in terms of black advancement.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 1:46 pm to Rocket
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People who want it overturned are the people who don't want things to change in terms of black advancement.
more baseless accusations, MOARRRR!!!!1112
Posted on 11/27/12 at 1:47 pm to jcole4lsu
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more baseless accusations, MOARRRR!!!!1112
Then if you are cool with black advancement in the coaching ranks, we can just leave the rule in place.
You can't talk out of both sides of your mouth and get away with it.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 1:53 pm to Rocket
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Then if you are cool with black advancement in the coaching ranks, we can just leave the rule in place.
yeah because useless regulation is useless. you dont have to be FOR the rooney rule just to be FOR black coaching advancement.
all you have to be FOR is winning.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 1:57 pm to jcole4lsu
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yeah because useless regulation is useless
Useless to who?
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you dont have to be FOR the rooney rule just to be FOR black coaching advancement.
If you don't have a problem with black advancement, then you shouldn't have a problemw ith the rule.
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all you have to be FOR is winning.
The rule does not make you hire a black coach. It just makes sure you add people to the pool of candidates. You can still hire who you want. Even if that coach is white and is less qualified than the black coach you interview and pass over. You might get criticized for doing so but that's another story.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:04 pm to Rocket
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If you don't have a problem with black advancement, then you shouldn't have a problemw ith the rule.
nonsense
its nothing more than affirmative action. you dont have to be pro AA to not be pro advancement of ANY race. in fact, AA is a hindrance to equality since it specifically treats one race different than others.
are you for simply equality of outcomes or for each person being judged solely on the merits of their ability and accomplishments?
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:05 pm to Rocket
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he rule does not make you hire a black coach
i know that.
you know what rule DOES make you hire a black coach? winning.
winning black coaches made it acceptable to hire more black coaches, not some silly rule.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:06 pm to Rocket
I have a question? Where are the Asian candidates?
Norm Chow does not equal all the white guys out there!
One out of every three kids are Chinese!!!
Everyone knows this!
Where is the Chow Rule?
Norm Chow does not equal all the white guys out there!
One out of every three kids are Chinese!!!
Everyone knows this!
Where is the Chow Rule?
This post was edited on 11/27/12 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:08 pm to Rocket
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People who want it overturned are the people who don't want things to change in terms of black advancement.
You really are a horrible poster. Where is the Rooney Rule equivalent for Asians? Or those with physical handicaps? What about Muslims? Or Women? All 4 of those groups are highly underrepresented in the coaching market so don't we need some sort of special interview requirement for them?
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:09 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
If I'm an AD, I'm not hiring a black guy precisely because of this sort of reaction when you have to fire one because he wasn't working out. It is too much hassle and bad publicity. There are too many qualified white guys out there who won't scream racism if you have to fire them to worry about messing around with some black guy who is going to scream racism if you fire him.
And dang it, even if the black coach is a stand up guy and doesn't scream racism if you have to fire him, you know the Jesse Jackson and Al Sharptons of the world will.
And dang it, even if the black coach is a stand up guy and doesn't scream racism if you have to fire him, you know the Jesse Jackson and Al Sharptons of the world will.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:10 pm to jcole4lsu
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nonsense its nothing more than affirmative action.
And before the rule, black coaches weren't getting interviews, much less getting hired.
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you dont have to be pro AA to not be pro advancement of ANY race. in fact, AA is a hindrance to equality since it specifically treats one race different than others
Since when have whites had a problem getting head coaching positions in college or the NFL? There was a time not long ago that the entire NFL had all white head coaches.
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you for simply equality of outcomes or for each person being judged solely on the merits of their ability and accomplishments?
You are crazy. You still don't understand this rule or you have this crazy fear that white folks are getting all their jobs taken from them.
How many D-1 head coaches are white? How many are black?
How many NFL head coaches are white? How many are black?
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:13 pm to Rocket
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How many D-1 head coaches are white? How many are black?
How many NFL head coaches are white? How many are black?
How many D-1 head coaches are asian? How many are hispanic?
How many NFL head coaches are asian? How many are hispanic?
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:15 pm to Rocket
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How many D-1 head coaches are white? How many are black?
How many NFL head coaches are white? How many are black?
That is the whole point. I don't give a frick about how many are white, black, Asian, Hispanic, gay, straight, male, female, blind, deaf, etc. I only care about how many are competent.
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