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re: Jimbo has coached 10 full seasons as a head coach - 3 or more losses in 7 of those seasons
Posted on 11/9/21 at 1:27 pm to SpencerRob
Posted on 11/9/21 at 1:27 pm to SpencerRob
Orgeron has lost 17 games in the last 5 years. (includes 2019 with no losses)
Orgeron has only had one season where he didn't lose 3 or more games.
Orgeron has only had one season where he didn't lose 3 or more games.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 1:33 pm to ShermanTxTiger
Yall really need to stop worrying about Jimbo. He already said no. Now if it's true that Scott keeps coming back to him because other candidates are also saying no and he thinks he can lean on his relationship with him than LSU needs to prepare for a second tier name.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 1:34 pm to purplepanther
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Jimbo's time has come and gone. He will not see a series of dominate success like Nick and Dabo. Nick's great success started when he was 50 and hasn’t stopped. Dabo's success started in his late 40's and may be coming to an end. It’s possible, but the likely hood of Jimbo Fisher starting an era of dominance at age 56 and later, don’t seem very likely. There are much better options.
The likelihood of anyone having Saban or Dabo success is not high.
No one here correctly identified Saban or (especially) Dabo as being as successful as they have been, so odds are the next guy is someone off the radar.
This post was edited on 11/9/21 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 11/9/21 at 1:35 pm to t - cam
Now if it's true that your momma swallows the whole town, you'd better be prepared for your parents to get divorced.
See? I can "now if it's true [made up rumor]" too.
See? I can "now if it's true [made up rumor]" too.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 1:35 pm to Ocardowin
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2019 - @ #1 Clemson, @ # 8 Auburn, #1 Alabama, @ #4 Georgia, @ #2 LSU
Gauntlet
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Per 24/7's roster rankings, he only had the "superior" roster in 4 of those 12 losses (2018 Miss State, 2019 Auburn, 2021 Arkansas and Miss State)
And the Ark and State losses were right after aTm lost their QB1. The ship has been righted.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 1:49 pm to Chicken
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How does that compare to other coaches who have been coach for similar lengths of time?
The question isn't whether or not Jimbo is a good coach? He is. The question is is he good enough to warrant the tremendous financial commitment LSU would almost assuredly have to make to get him here?
After last season he signed a new 10 year, $95,000,000 contract. Only Saban earns more (deservedly so). It is HIGHLY unlikely Jimbo would leave A&M unless LSU, at minimum, matched his current A&M contract. More likely, LSU would have to EXCEED that contract. Is a guy who has averaged the same number of wins in his first 4 seasons in Texas as Kevin Sumlin did in his first 4 seasons there worth THAT large of a financial commitment? One that would be incredibly onerous to get out from under IF he failed to meet what would be sky high expectations. IMO, hell no!
Fisher to LSU at $7.5 million for 6 years? Great (though it would never happen).
Fisher to LSU at $10-$12 million for 10 years? Get the frick out of here!
The last three LSU HCs a less of a resume when they took the job than Jimbo does now. Yet, they all won NCs. I like Fisher. But not enough to see LSU burden themselves with a massive long term commitment to get him here. You make that commitment only if you are 99.9% sure he's going to bring you MULTIPLE national championships for the next decade. Otherwise, let Texas A&M continue to overpay for 8-9 win seasons and a GPS system that can't locate Atlanta on the map
Posted on 11/9/21 at 1:52 pm to Chicken
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How does that compare to other coaches who have been coach for similar lengths of time?
I thought that's why we fired Les? He was stubborn to change his offense Jimbo will be the same.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 2:03 pm to Magician2
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Jimbo will be the same.
Jimbo's offense was what won LSU its championship under Saban
It was still Jimbos offense when Matt Flynn won the 2nd NC under Miles
We saw Miles offense in 2008, then we never saw an offense again after that
Posted on 11/9/21 at 2:06 pm to Alt26
Why are so many here all of a sudden consumed with contracts when it comes to Jimbo?
We gave an extension to a coach that no one else wanted, and we're now concerned about being tied down to a bad contact?
We got out of that one, if Jimbo were to be hired and he fails we'd get out of that one as well. No buyout number is going to prevent us from moving on from a coach.
We gave an extension to a coach that no one else wanted, and we're now concerned about being tied down to a bad contact?
We got out of that one, if Jimbo were to be hired and he fails we'd get out of that one as well. No buyout number is going to prevent us from moving on from a coach.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 2:15 pm to Alt26
LSU would save a lot with a second tier coach like Campbell or Napier or Fleck, paying in the $6 mil per year, and the results would probably be the same as with Jimbo.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 2:16 pm to DTig
If you think Campbell would come here for $6m/year, you're nuts.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 2:19 pm to Ocardowin
I think Campbell and Fleck at the same money as with O, about $9 mil per year. Napier about $5-6 mil.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 3:03 pm to Goldrush25
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Why are so many here all of a sudden consumed with contracts when it comes to Jimbo?
We gave an extension to a coach that no one else wanted, and we're now concerned about being tied down to a bad contact?
We got out of that one, if Jimbo were to be hired and he fails we'd get out of that one as well. No buyout number is going to prevent us from moving on from a coach.
At some point the money starts to become harder and harder to find. He won't, but if Jimbo were fired before Dec. 1st A&M would owe him $95.6 million dollars. That is certainly a hell of a lot more than the $17 million LSU committed to buying out Orgeron. And that was after only TWO seasons of poor results.
Jimbo is not leaving A&M for LESS of a commitment than they are currently giving him. That means LSU would likely have to give a contract in the range of, AT LEAST, 10 years at $100 million dollars ($10 mill per year) with the condition that Jimbo is paid all of it should LSU fire him before the 10 year term expires.
The cries to fire Les reached a crescendo in 2015...which was on the heels of 7 years where he averaged greater than 9 wins per season. In 4 years at A&M Jimbo has never won more than 9 games in a season. So, if he does the same at LSU (and past history is the best predictor of future results) and LSU fans want to fire him after 4 seasons, the $17 million buyout paid to O would look like a bargain compared to the, at least, $60 million that would be owed to Jimbo. You hire Jimbo at that contract then you are committing yourself to him for, at minimum 5-6 years, regardless of what happens.
Perhaps LSU is the place that unlocks his full potential and he begins a run of dominance like Alabama has experienced for the last 15 years. But it is not as if A&M is some poor school that isn't willing to commit HUGE sums to being a championship program. Yet, despite that, in 4 seasons he's basically matched Kevin Sumlin.
So what seems more likely? He comes to LSU and becomes the most dominant HC of the next 15 years? Or he comes to LSU with an absurdly bloated contract and fans want him gone after 4-5 seasons of 8-9 wins?
Posted on 11/9/21 at 3:30 pm to t - cam
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Yall really need to stop worrying about Jimbo. He already said no.
He also said "No" to leaving FSU. Saban flat out said "he wouldn't be the next coach at Bama in 2006.
I am not worrying about Jimbo. He is not my first or 2nd realistic choice. I am just defending his record vs Coach Zero.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 4:47 pm to SammyTiger
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He’s Les Miles with a better offense.
Uhh this would be awesome
Posted on 11/9/21 at 5:03 pm to Alt26
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Fisher to LSU at $10-$12 million for 10 years? Get the frick out of here!
I see a lot of people concerned about the contract amount. Honestly wtf does it mean to you? You're ok with 7.5 per year but not 10? Or 12.5 like you say? At 106k seats in tiger stadium, 7 games a year, an extra 5 million a year is $6.74/seat. But we all know that's not how it works. There are big time donors that pick up some of the tab. Sure, your tradition fund will probably go up, but my point is it is divided by so many people that it won't/shouldn't make a difference to you. Especially if you're not a season ticket holder. The concern over buyouts and salaries has never made sense to me.(eta: and I'm a season ticket holder)
This post was edited on 11/9/21 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 11/9/21 at 5:17 pm to Alt26
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So what seems more likely? He comes to LSU and becomes the most dominant HC of the next 15 years? Or he comes to LSU with an absurdly bloated contract and fans want him gone after 4-5 seasons of 8-9 wins?
The odds are with any hire that fans will want that guy gone after 4-5 years.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 5:19 pm to SpencerRob
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Jimbo has coached 10 full seasons as a head coach - 3 or more losses in 7 of those seasons
well it takes about 3 years to get things rolling
AT FSU, things were not top shape form
neither was A&M
A&M trending upward
won at FSU....
he's ranked #5 of all HC this year for good reason
Posted on 11/9/21 at 5:31 pm to SpencerRob
I'd rather Napier over Jimbo
Posted on 11/9/21 at 5:33 pm to Goldrush25
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The odds are with any hire that fans will want that guy gone after 4-5 years.
I'd rather take my chance on Napier and I fricking hate that idea.
But Jimbo might give you 1 NC and years of mediocre play like miles.
Unless he commits to hiring a Herman or young amazing Oc to come in and adapt his ways
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