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Is the Information Age Hurting Potential Coaching Changes?
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:24 pm
This article from yesterday speculates that the leaks of Les Miles getting canned backfired and actually prevented that plan:
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Then there is the South Carolina situation where early reports had them taking a shot at Herman, which allowed UH the time to defend themselves with a massive contract. Not too long ago the Texas hire was filled with rumors of Saban to Texas, which gave Alabama the opportunity to put together the largest paycheck ever.
A common theme of college football is that fans want to be as connected and knowledgeable as possible, but in the information age the situation has transformed from having a dozen connected insiders to thousands once a single person from that initial connected dozen passes information along to someone that posts it online. Then media organizations (who in the past relied only on the limited connections they had) jump on the leaks from any source to create a hype train in the eco chamber of sports news that then forces those involved to respond to the leak, maybe by taking a different course of action.
I can't help but think that in an earlier era Saban would be at Texas, or Les would be fired. Look at how Georgia fired their coach (with no leaks or hype) for a glimpse at how it used to be. They have faced far less scrutiny for actually firing a coach than LSU did for THINKING of firing a coach because those who resisted the move had time to rally against it at LSU. At UGA any Richt fan never had time to pre-emptively doubt the action, they were just forced to deal with it after the fact.
Which leads to my question- is the internet overall bad for college programs trying to make coaching changes? If so is there any way that maybe what happened at UGA can be more the rule than the exception, and mega boosters can accept not being connected always for the overall good of the program?
Seems like with the stakes and dollar amounts that have to be raised it will get worse before it gets better. What do you think?
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The goal of the various leaks about Miles’ upcoming firing was presumably to try and pave the way for a coaching change, but the administration so badly miscalculated the response from fans, players and the public that those leaks actually played a big role in him keeping his job
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Then there is the South Carolina situation where early reports had them taking a shot at Herman, which allowed UH the time to defend themselves with a massive contract. Not too long ago the Texas hire was filled with rumors of Saban to Texas, which gave Alabama the opportunity to put together the largest paycheck ever.
A common theme of college football is that fans want to be as connected and knowledgeable as possible, but in the information age the situation has transformed from having a dozen connected insiders to thousands once a single person from that initial connected dozen passes information along to someone that posts it online. Then media organizations (who in the past relied only on the limited connections they had) jump on the leaks from any source to create a hype train in the eco chamber of sports news that then forces those involved to respond to the leak, maybe by taking a different course of action.
I can't help but think that in an earlier era Saban would be at Texas, or Les would be fired. Look at how Georgia fired their coach (with no leaks or hype) for a glimpse at how it used to be. They have faced far less scrutiny for actually firing a coach than LSU did for THINKING of firing a coach because those who resisted the move had time to rally against it at LSU. At UGA any Richt fan never had time to pre-emptively doubt the action, they were just forced to deal with it after the fact.
Which leads to my question- is the internet overall bad for college programs trying to make coaching changes? If so is there any way that maybe what happened at UGA can be more the rule than the exception, and mega boosters can accept not being connected always for the overall good of the program?
Seems like with the stakes and dollar amounts that have to be raised it will get worse before it gets better. What do you think?
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Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:31 pm to cardboardboxer
tl;dr
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:34 pm to rebeloke
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tl;dr
Cliff Notes: Does the existence of the internet as a platform for AD leaks make it harder for programs to make optimal coaching change choices?
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:36 pm to cardboardboxer
Yes, indeed...
schools will adapt their practices to be more covert.
schools will adapt their practices to be more covert.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:37 pm to cardboardboxer
Everyone is going conservative because of bloated contracts. Why take the risk if you're USC? Paying 8 million guarantees you very little unless you're getting Saban, Meyers, or Harbaugh.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:40 pm to cardboardboxer
No doubt. I see to recall ESPN having a hand in LSU keeping Miles a few years back.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:43 pm to Chicken
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schools will adapt their practices to be more covert.
But is that even possible? More and more boosters are demanding to know every thought the AD has the second he has it. I know at A&M there was a LOT of gnashing of teeth among the big boosters when Sumlin kept the DC hire close to his chest. That ended up working out, but I know for a fact Sumlin had to have a sit down diner with a mega booster (like paid for a fifth of our stadium megabooster) to placate him during that period.
As ticket prices go up and buyouts get larger (therefore needed more money for a coaching change) it seems like the whole situation is a massive Catch 22.
This post was edited on 12/2/15 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:48 pm to bisonduck
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Why take the risk if you're USC?
USC is a weird situation because the temp coach was so successful, but at any program the reason you take the risk on a big name is to get butts in the seats in an initial year that might be a struggle when it comes to wins and losses. If the fans think the AD is settling then they maybe don't put in the effort to show up and support a team in the middle of a rebuild season that will barely make a bowl.
In the age of every game being televised the ADs have to give fans a reason to show up, and hiring a name they have heard of for big money is the most sure-fire way. The problem is the process of hiring that big name, and the fact that few are on the open market.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:50 pm to cardboardboxer
quote:outside of Saban, Meyer and Harbaugh, there don't seem to be any big names out there...and those three won't be leaving their schools anytime soon.
The problem is the process of hiring that big name, and the fact that few are on the open market.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 1:00 pm to Chicken
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outside of Saban, Meyer and Harbaugh, there don't seem to be any big names out there..
I think Chip Kelly belongs on the list of possible mega hires, as his situation fits how Bama got Saban perfectly.
The issue is that there is only one Chip Kelly that will get hired for one job (maybe), yet he will be THE splash guy for three or four coaching cycles.
I think the hype train now tries to CREATE splash hires by speculating who will be the next Urban Meyer at Utah. Herman has accomplished WAY less at Houston than Urban did at Utah (hell less than Sumlin accomplished at Houston), yet he is being targeted by half of the programs in the sport (with open jobs or not) if you listen to rumors. In previous years people would have waiting for him to coach at UH a few years to crown him, but everyone is so desperate for a splash hire in a market with low supply that now they are being fabricated.
The same eco chamber that blasts every leak across the planet also creates this monster demand for immediate gratification in the hiring process. Used to fans could accept each hire is a crapshoot, and if you didn't hear your new coaches name before the day you hired him it doesn't mean he won't be a bad coach. Now you have fanbases like Nebraska wanting to crucify one year coaches simply because their hire wasn't splashy enough in a media environment that makes it hard to get the splash deal done quietly. It is madness.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 1:06 pm to cardboardboxer
I forget about Kelly, but I have to wonder if it was more Nike than Kelly getting kids to Oregon...
Posted on 12/2/15 at 1:12 pm to cardboardboxer
Yeah, it's almost impossible to keep a lid on changes while the guys you're firing/seeking are still coaching. We saw it with Mack/Saban/Texas and Les/Jimbo/LSU. Georgia did a nice job pulling it off, but I think is the exception.
I think when you're hearing info on boards/tweets about changes, there is usually something in motion, but it's hard to evaluate what is trolling/bluffing/legit. If your target is in the pros, it's a nightmare. You need a dead man walking (like Harbaugh), and even there, NFL insiders were saying until the end he was staying in the pros -- and Michigan fans could never really be sure if they were being used as a bluff to get a good NFL deal.
I think when you're hearing info on boards/tweets about changes, there is usually something in motion, but it's hard to evaluate what is trolling/bluffing/legit. If your target is in the pros, it's a nightmare. You need a dead man walking (like Harbaugh), and even there, NFL insiders were saying until the end he was staying in the pros -- and Michigan fans could never really be sure if they were being used as a bluff to get a good NFL deal.
This post was edited on 12/2/15 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 12/2/15 at 1:26 pm to cardboardboxer
Chip's not leaving the NFL. He hates recruiting more than the draft and by a long shot.
This is Chip's recruiting pitch:
"Come here if you want but we'll win without you."
He also hates donor smoozing.
This is Chip's recruiting pitch:
"Come here if you want but we'll win without you."
He also hates donor smoozing.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 2:55 pm to cardboardboxer
joe alleva having a vagina is what spoiled les being kicked to the curb.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 2:59 pm to heartbreakTiger
social joe warrior is in way over his head.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 3:12 pm to cardboardboxer
Yea, the leaked info hurts when dumbass admins misread the reaction, otherwise, it likely works in their favor.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 3:23 pm to heartbreakTiger
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joe alleva having a vagina is what spoiled les being kicked to the curb.
I can't believe the decision to keep Les was all Joe. It was going to be pretty expensive to fire Les, and someone was going to have to pay that bill. I bet whoever initially agreed to pay that bill said "No Jimbo? frick it then." Hence Les staying.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 3:28 pm to GurleyGirl
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Yea, the leaked info hurts when dumbass admins misread the reaction, otherwise, it likely works in their favor.
I can't think of a time when leaked info helped.
For example, without the Saban leak maybe Mack Brown doesn't hang onto his job for dear life. It is obvious he did not want to be followed by a guaranteed better coach for the sake of his legacy, so if he thought from the start the best replacement possible was someone like Strong he might have stepped aside in time to get Saban.
At best it seems leaked information doesn't do anything, like when Saban went to Bama. I just don't see how it can help, unless the school needs booster support to raise money for the hire.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 3:33 pm to cardboardboxer
Alleva doesn't know how to negotiate, and he got Sextoned. He was not prepared with Mullen/Herman as Plan B guys and allowed the boosters to co-opt the process and BO funds. He is the cause of our two weeks of embarassment, and the booster leaks allowed politics to rear its ugly head when the Gov/Gov elect/President got involved and had to clean up Joe's mess.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 3:33 pm to cardboardboxer
I think it is just the manner that people handle their business. Georgia executed their plan flawlessly and LSU was a complete disaster. In my opinion LSU should fire Alleva for the way the Coach Miles thing was handled.
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