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Posted on 12/10/11 at 7:08 pm to TbirdSpur2010
From a racial standpoint? !!! 70% of the players are black! What players want, is VICTORY !
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Posted on 12/10/11 at 8:16 pm to eman65
Sumlin's hire is historic, no doubt about it. A&M doesn't have the rep of Ole Miss, but at the same time, the percentage of African Americans in the student body is relatively small. While there's very little overt racism on campus, there's some latent racism. Back in the 80s, for example, the great Kevin Murray was called a "stupid n--" whenever the Ags lost with him at QB, a legacy of the wrong-headed notion that blacks weren't intelligent enough to run an offense. Off the football field, students erected an "Apartheid shack" on campus in protest of South Africa's racial policies at the time. The Corps would covertly destroy said shack on a weekly basis, justifying the action by calling it an "eyesore." Not a glowing reflection of A&M's social awareness and racial sensitivity.
Over the past couple of decades, A&M has grown even more conservative in outlook, with the Bush Library and Perry in the governor's mansion. That's not going to contribute to an overall perception of inclusiveness and ethnic diversity, but A&M doesn't fit neatly into any category. It is what it is.
For the record, Sumlin's ethnicity won't have nearly the impact on the program's success as his choice at DC will.
Over the past couple of decades, A&M has grown even more conservative in outlook, with the Bush Library and Perry in the governor's mansion. That's not going to contribute to an overall perception of inclusiveness and ethnic diversity, but A&M doesn't fit neatly into any category. It is what it is.
For the record, Sumlin's ethnicity won't have nearly the impact on the program's success as his choice at DC will.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 8:48 pm to Sabreman
Sabreman, I don't think the Bush Library or Perry in the Governors Mansion has anything to do with the success or the lack there of, on the football field. After all they were elected through a Democratic process. Obama blames Bush for everything. I didn't know , Bush hates Texas A&M football.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 8:52 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Does Sumlin Hire change perception of A&M?
Yes, improves it.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 8:59 pm to SLC
I personally don't like the hire of Sumlin. I appauld TxAM for hiring a minority coach. I think it demonstrates that A&M wants to give equal opportunities to all races of people.
However, I am not sold on Sumlin and I think A&M could have found a better football candidate. I think Sumlin's run and shoot/spread against weak opponents made him look glamourous at UH. Not sure how he will do against the big boys in the SEC. I think A&M should have went for a bigger name but to be fair, I am not sure who Sumlin is bringing in on his coaching staff. Something just doesn't feel right with this hire.
However, I am not sold on Sumlin and I think A&M could have found a better football candidate. I think Sumlin's run and shoot/spread against weak opponents made him look glamourous at UH. Not sure how he will do against the big boys in the SEC. I think A&M should have went for a bigger name but to be fair, I am not sure who Sumlin is bringing in on his coaching staff. Something just doesn't feel right with this hire.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 9:01 pm to eman65
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Sabreman, I don't think the Bush Library or Perry in the Governors Mansion has anything to do with the success or the lack there of, on the football field.
Huh? I was talking about the general perception of A&M overall. I'm reading over what I wrote, and I don't see where I mentioned national politics at all. A&M's always been a conservative campus, but it's gotten moreso in the past two decades. Hate to burst your bubble, but that's got nothing to do with Obama. And 41 is a big fan of Aggie football.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 9:27 pm to Sabreman
Sabrman, you stated that The Bush Library and Perry in the mansion doesn't add to the perception of inclusiveness and ethnic diversity. I'm not a journalist,but that sounds like bringing politics into it.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 10:03 pm to LegacyAggie
Frankly I think this is a terrible hire for A&M. If A&M was in the Big-12 where defense is to be avoided at all costs...maybe.
In the SEC if he tries to run that stupidity he calls an offense he runs at Houston, you'll find those 3 and outs will have your defense on the wrong side of 40-17 games fairly frequently.
In the SEC if he tries to run that stupidity he calls an offense he runs at Houston, you'll find those 3 and outs will have your defense on the wrong side of 40-17 games fairly frequently.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 10:07 pm to llfshoals
I've seen it said probably 30 or 40 times on this board so I'm not sure if its worth repeating, but he won't be running that offense.
He was the OC at OU when they had Peterson, ie power running, and its already been said he's hiring a new offensive coordinator. There are a ton of worries and risks with him but running that offense isn't one of them.
He was the OC at OU when they had Peterson, ie power running, and its already been said he's hiring a new offensive coordinator. There are a ton of worries and risks with him but running that offense isn't one of them.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 11:47 pm to Big Kat
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I knew their would be that one a-hole
That might be true, my wife would probably agree with you. But that doesn't mean I'm wrong.
If your 'excuse' of why A&M isn't a Top10-15 is because..(your quote not mine)
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We were routinely top 10 and then lost our bowl game. We never finished high because if bowl losses.
And at the same time you are losing 2 of 3 games against Texas(last regular season game).
No, your not a top 15, much less top 10/top 5 team. How many times in the last 15 years has A&M finished in the Top 15?
Posted on 12/11/11 at 8:28 am to civilag08
quote:You are speaking of the current makeup, not the ole Army racists dudes that support the program from the 1960's.
I think CS may be the least racist place I know. I lived there for over five years. I also did not know that other schools may brand it that way. I think it may just be convenient for some to do so.
Most of those sitting in the west side still vote for anyone who can resemble David Duke.
Posted on 12/11/11 at 4:19 pm to eman65
quote:but it does have to do with the perception of the University.
I don't think the Bush Library or Perry in the Governors Mansion has anything to do with the success or the lack there of, on the football field.
Do you think those 2 guys are popular with blacks?
Posted on 12/11/11 at 5:35 pm to ATLTiger
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Posted on 12/11/11 at 5:43 pm to ATLTiger
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what's with the "weird" label?
Very "cult" like --- it's not fandom... it's hard to describe, but it's very fraternal... "Aggies" are "Aggies" for life....
... on the PRO side - they are very spirited about their school
and they take care of their own for life.
... on the CON side - outside of Texas their loyalty and devotion to being an Aggie certainly comes across as a bit over the top.
and they take care of their own... but it is more evident as a bias to others.
For example... EVERY Aggie I know wears their class ring -- always... men and women... it's how they identify themselves.
By comparison... I'm proud of my LSU degrees and I'm an enthusiastic fan.... but I don't wear my LSU ring everywhere I go and make it very obvious so people know I'm a Tiger.
Just different... not all bad, just different and very evident when you live and work among them as I do in Houston.
Posted on 12/11/11 at 6:34 pm to TbirdSpur2010
I've never thought of A&M as racist. I've thought of them as weird.
Posted on 12/11/11 at 6:50 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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My question is, does hiring a black coach begin to change the perception of the casual observer?
probably
there is always the risk if he does a middling job and you have to fire him of some PR blow-back that undoes the positive tho
Posted on 12/11/11 at 7:03 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Sumlin better hire a damn good DC. That run and shoot attack will not work in the SEC with the speed on the corners. You won't see wide open WR's like in the big 12 vs good defenses like bama, old UF, LSU, UGA, and sometime sc and State.
Posted on 12/11/11 at 7:12 pm to memphisplaya
We won't be running that offense, but I agree on the DC part
Posted on 12/11/11 at 8:02 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Your first black coach is going to be a miserable failure. He's fine for the BIG12. But he will die by an SEC defense.
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