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Hire a QB coach to coach QB's?? Why not?
Posted on 1/22/11 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 1/22/11 at 1:55 pm
I just read an article that said Miles was not seeking for the offensive coordinator position an individual whose main strength was calling plays. He wanted the coach to be more of a quarterbacks coach than a coordinator.
Does anyone else think something is wrong with that? Why doesn't he just hire a god damn quarterback coach and an offensive coordinator? It doesn't seem that difficult to me.
If it's staff limitations then get rid of Ensminger and have Stud and Gonzales coach TE's too. I don't have a problem with Kragthorpe but I flat out don't understand why LSU can't have both a guy who is really good at coach QB's and a guy who is really good at calling plays.
If someone does, please enlighten me because it's giving me a headache.
Does anyone else think something is wrong with that? Why doesn't he just hire a god damn quarterback coach and an offensive coordinator? It doesn't seem that difficult to me.
If it's staff limitations then get rid of Ensminger and have Stud and Gonzales coach TE's too. I don't have a problem with Kragthorpe but I flat out don't understand why LSU can't have both a guy who is really good at coach QB's and a guy who is really good at calling plays.
If someone does, please enlighten me because it's giving me a headache.
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Posted on 1/22/11 at 1:58 pm to YouKnowIt
Where the hell did you read that from? If that is true, that is very scary. Means most likely it confirms what some people fear, Miles wanted a weak OC he can control and dip into the play calling constantly...
Posted on 1/22/11 at 2:02 pm to YouKnowIt
How about a link for that quote you are attributing to Miles? Sounds to me like you put your spin on Miles comments.
Posted on 1/22/11 at 2:05 pm to deuce985
I read it on Rivals and I completely agree. It is scary. Here's a quote from his presser
Miles "The main criterion was a fundamental football coach, who was able to affect the quarterbacks to throw the football more accurately."
I'm not looking to start an argument over whether or not Kragthorpe can do a good job. For all of our sakes, I hope and believe he can. I am just not comfortable because it seems like LSU is sacrificing play calling in order to have a guy who can teach QB's fundamentals.
Miles "The main criterion was a fundamental football coach, who was able to affect the quarterbacks to throw the football more accurately."
I'm not looking to start an argument over whether or not Kragthorpe can do a good job. For all of our sakes, I hope and believe he can. I am just not comfortable because it seems like LSU is sacrificing play calling in order to have a guy who can teach QB's fundamentals.
Posted on 1/22/11 at 2:07 pm to YouKnowIt
You want a link? I'll post a link. But I don't want to get yelled at for posting a link to another Web site. If someone tells me it's okay to do that I'll post it.
Posted on 1/22/11 at 2:08 pm to YouKnowIt
It's simple math. The NCAA allows only a certain number of coaches on a staff. LSU only had one opening hence the reason for one that can do both. It's not like the NFL where you can have all you want.
Posted on 1/22/11 at 2:10 pm to YouKnowIt
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Miles "The main criterion was a fundamental football coach, who was able to affect the quarterbacks to throw the football more accurately."
I think you are reading WAY to much in to this...
Quit bitching.
Posted on 1/22/11 at 2:11 pm to Goldb83rg
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It's simple math. The NCAA allows only a certain number of coaches on a staff. LSU only had one opening hence the reason for one that can do both. It's not like the NFL where you can have all you want.
It's as simple as reading. I accounted for that very thing in paragraph three. I don't think anyone is going to sit there and argue that a TE coach is more important than a QB coach, especially when there's someone on the staff that can teach them blocking and someone who can teach them the receiving game.
Posted on 1/22/11 at 2:14 pm to YouKnowIt
Or, Miles can hire an OC with a ton of experience as both OC/HC/and QB coach while retaining his TE coach....since Kragthorpe utilizes the TE.
Seems like Miles used common sense.
Seems like Miles used common sense.
Posted on 1/22/11 at 2:19 pm to Tiger4Ever
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Or, Miles can hire an OC with a ton of experience as both OC/HC/and QB coach while retaining his TE coach....since Kragthorpe utilizes the TE.
Using that logic he could have hired Fuente to coordinate the offense and Kragthorpe to coach the QB's and had Gonzales and Stud coach TE's
Fuente/ Kragthorpe > Esminger/ Kragthorpe
Posted on 1/22/11 at 2:24 pm to YouKnowIt
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Using that logic
So, you would fire one and hire two....when in reality, Miles was able to hire one and fire none. That isn't using my logic at all.
Again, Miles uses common sense.
You are completely ignoring the fact that Miles has spoken with Kragthorpe for the OC gig for two consecutive seasons now. Obviously he had a preference and a go to guy. Regardless of if you like it or not.
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he could have hired Fuente to coordinate the offense and Kragthorpe to coach the QB's
No, he couldn't have. Kragthorpe, an experienced HC and OC, doesn't come to LSU as a QB coach under a guy who is currently a Co-OC.
Common sense.
This post was edited on 1/22/11 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 1/22/11 at 2:25 pm to Tiger4Ever
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I think you are reading WAY to much in to this...
Posted on 1/22/11 at 2:33 pm to Tiger4Ever
1) I never said Kragthorpe was a bad hire or a good hire. I just asked a simple question. This thread has nothing to do with whether or not he his capable of doing well.
2) I never said that he could realistically hire Fuente/ Kragthorpe. I only said that using your logic, it was a possibility
3) Your experience HC/OC was, for a short time, a WR coach at A&M just last season. It's not like LSU was fighting off 20 schools to hire the guy. Frankly, I don't remember him being in the discussion to be anyone elses OC. That being said, I don't think being a QB coach is beneath him.
2) I never said that he could realistically hire Fuente/ Kragthorpe. I only said that using your logic, it was a possibility
3) Your experience HC/OC was, for a short time, a WR coach at A&M just last season. It's not like LSU was fighting off 20 schools to hire the guy. Frankly, I don't remember him being in the discussion to be anyone elses OC. That being said, I don't think being a QB coach is beneath him.
Posted on 1/22/11 at 2:34 pm to YouKnowIt
There definitely seems to be an emphasis on getting someone good with QB's, but I'm not seeing anything saying it was done so at the expense of offensive coordination.
If anything it was probably another way of Miles saying he doesn't want a Crowton-like OC that has a million plays and tries to do much. Just someone fundamental that can help our QB's.
Considering Miles won't outright fire people, do you really think he will let a coach go that he thinks is performing fine to make room for another one? I doubt it.
If anything it was probably another way of Miles saying he doesn't want a Crowton-like OC that has a million plays and tries to do much. Just someone fundamental that can help our QB's.
Considering Miles won't outright fire people, do you really think he will let a coach go that he thinks is performing fine to make room for another one? I doubt it.
This post was edited on 1/22/11 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 1/22/11 at 2:42 pm to NOSA
I think you're exactly right NOSA. I think Kragthorpe will end up being a good hire. I just read the article and it got me thinking and I couldn't remember the last time LSU had a guy who's sole job was to coach QB's. There hasn't been a competent QB coach since Jimbo. That's really where the whole thing came from -- why doesn't LSU just hire someone to solely coach the most important position on the field? It wasn't meant as an indictment against Krags.
Posted on 1/22/11 at 2:50 pm to YouKnowIt
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I don't have a problem with Kragthorpe but I flat out don't understand why LSU can't have both a guy who is really good at coach QB's and a guy who is really good at calling plays.
Kragthorpe is good at developing QB's, recruiting, and play calling on game day!
give it a rest...this hire fit the bill!! Relax, enjoy life!
Posted on 1/22/11 at 4:39 pm to ApexTiger
Let the ink dry on the contract before we want to run the guy off ... oh wait, this is an LSU board. Never mind, run his arse off.
I like the hire. We need a QB coach and this guy fits the bill.
I like the hire. We need a QB coach and this guy fits the bill.
Posted on 1/22/11 at 5:59 pm to YouKnowIt
That's bs what you are saying. It's called taking miles comments out of context.
Posted on 1/22/11 at 6:07 pm to YouKnowIt
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It is scary
Posted on 1/22/11 at 9:38 pm to Stonewall Tiger
Geez this site can be crazy. Krag hasn't called a play yet (probably hasn't even had a chance to talk to all the QB's) and we are looking for any way to spin it wrong. Lets see what will happen in spring before we go into melt down mode.
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