re: Coordinators and Position Coaches haven't been finalized

If LSU doesn't have Herman then yea Les should come back.

i feel bad for harris b/c it's almost like he's set up to fail

if les's offense is humming, he will be limited due to a lack of opportunity and a simplistic strategy when he's allowed to throw. if that offense is going well, he's going to get some limited play action passes that won't require full development of him as a QB

if les's offense isn't working, then we double down by having a poor passing game mixed in with the fact that we're down and we have to make things go.

it's like he's set up to not develop

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No I was team Lee then....

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Why do you think that Les benched him, and refused to even give him a shot at a series in the BCSNCG? At some point, you have to ask that question and demand an answer. Les refuses to do this.

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Harris has so much more than Jefferson I don't understand that comparison.

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The comparison is pre-season hype and expectations of improvement simply because they have a year under their belt is just that, hype. Wishful thinking. At some point, someone has to be real and say after 11 years, we have to admit it's just a pipe dream, and it's not happening on the field. Why?

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I also don't see the regression

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I think you're on an island then.

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He gets excited and throws the ball with little touch.

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Dude's a sophomore. And has what, 11 starts under his belt, along with other significant playing time? And he still hasn't mastered touch passes, and not being overexcited in the 2nd half of games?

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I think this is something he can work on.

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Oh, no doubt. A couple more camps with Whitfield, and he should be coming into his prime a few years after he graduates.

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Why do you think that Les benched him

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Only reason you or I could give is that Les thought Jefferson gave LSU the best chance to win. Anything else is pure speculation really....

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The comparison is pre-season hype and expectations of improvement

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Harris has more tools than Jefferson did

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I think you're on an island then.

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disagree, I think Harris is doing exactly what he has done all season. Just now LSU is losing because the defense is no longer making stops and putting more spotlight on Harris.

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And has what, 11 starts under his belt, along with other significant playing time? And he still hasn't mastered touch passes, and not being overexcited in the 2nd half of games?

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Look around the SEC, Allen in Arkansas, Dak at State they all improved from their first year starting and LSU would love to have either of them. Allen as 49.7% 13 TD and 10 INT his first year starting, now 65.1% 29 TD 7 INT
Dak 58.4% 10 TD 7 INT his first year, now 66.2% 23 TD 3 INT

So year I think Harris can improve from this season. Does he do what these two did or does he go the Jefferson route, I don't know but he has the potential to do what Allen and Dak did.

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Les is perfectly fine winning a ball game and passing for 78 yards in a game.

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250-300 on the ground 150 in the air is perfect Miles football.

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He has no understanding of how to build a winning football team

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well this, I mean he has been winning for 11 years

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Against Eastern Michigan his big adjustment at halftime was to quit throwing the ball altogether.

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that was a mistake, that should have been a teaching game.

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Only reason you or I could give is that Les thought Jefferson gave LSU the best chance to win. Anything else is pure speculation really....

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It's speculation to say he thought jefferson gave Lsu the best chance to win. You don't know that. You want to assume that because it's logical and makes the most sense. But the championship game proved there was no logic that went into miles' decision making.

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Only reason you or I could give is that Les thought Jefferson gave LSU the best chance to win. Anything else is pure speculation really....

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Fair enough.....if you're talking about starting him. My question is why, after being dominated, and down 21 points, did Lee not even get a series? He had started the majority of the season, and was undefeated. I get not starting him. But not even a series? We shouldn't have to speculate. Les should provide an explanation. Don't you think the fanbase deserves at least that?

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Harris has more tools than Jefferson did

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Completely irrelevant. We're talking about improvement, no matter what tools you have. Just considering your set of tools, what's the improvement.

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I think Harris is doing exactly what he has done all season.

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So, you admit no improvement. Finally, we agree! (well, kinda, I think most people have seen some regression, especially in his demeanor and confidence.)

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So year I think Harris can improve from this season. Does he do what these two did or does he go the Jefferson route, I don't know but he has the potential to do what Allen and Dak did.

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Dak and Allen have nothing whatsoever to do with LSU and their QB development. Nothing. Nada.

But you've just made the exact point that every person wanting a change feels. Les' teams have potential. They "can" improve, every season.

"Wait until next year!!!!!!"

times 11 and counting.....

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Mett was at LSU for 4 years?

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He was in college, getting college coaching for 4 years.

Let's not forget you're pathetic response to the coker situation at alabama earlier in this thread regarding this exact situation.

I've also made it a point to only bring up other alabama quarterbacks in this thread, because that comparison had already been made. You want to expand it to other schools that have seen successful offenses with quarterbacks in their first or second year at a school?

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oh man that one game is a huge deal

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Oh, so now there is a subset to when the answer for experience is playing time to you pumpers.

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Coker is a redshirt senior in his second year at Alabama.

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And there it is again.

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My question is why, after being dominated, and down 21 points, did Lee not even get a series?

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I have no answer, no one does but Les. I was advocating putting Lee into the game at the time as well.

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Don't you think the fanbase deserves at least that?

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Not really

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We're talking about improvement, no matter what tools you have. Just considering your set of tools, what's the improvement.

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improvement happens, I think Harris was better vs Ole Miss than he was against Alabama.

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So, you admit no improvement.

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Eh to a degree, I mean I can nitpick it but overall no not as much as I would have liked from what I saw last year. I think when things get tough he tries to sling it and force passes, no touch is his biggest problem.

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But you've just made the exact point that every person wanting a change feels. Les' teams have potential. They "can" improve, every season.

"Wait until next year!!!!!!"

times 11 and counting.....

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dunno, if people have been saying that since 05 then they've missed some good football teams and some fine seasons.

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getting college coaching for 4 years.

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from 3 different colleges, he wasn't in the same system till he came to LSU. I mean I can't explain it any easier, there is a difference of being with the same program in the same system for multiple years vs your first or second even. Hell Mett's first year starting wasn't even bad but not it is being seen as that way.