re: Blame Coach O for the drop off in performance, not Tommy Moffitt.

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I would like to see O hired as a d line coach and a recruiting person.

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He would work to undermine the HC. He's better off going elsewhere.

Matt Canada. How did that hire work out?

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Blame Coach O for the drop off in performance, not Tommy Moffitt.

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You fans have no clue what happened... Stop trying to think of things to say to make yourselves feel better... It's sad to watch.

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Also, t-bob said yesterday he got reports that O started meddling in the strength and conditioning after 2019

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Ughhhh. This seems like the old game telephone in elementary school. O didn't dictate the program it was with a few players he wanted to get them big. And not muscle fit he wanted them bigger on the line and it backfired. I have heard that same story from 2 players, I never heard anything about him meddling in the program it was meddling in the development of certain players as he felt they weren't big enough on the line.

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What I don’t understand is with all the science and everything available to strength and conditioning coaches. I don’t see how one Coach can be that much better than everyone else???.

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20+ years in the S&C world checking in…you are correct

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same in terms of S&C. i mean there are differences in some. Some are VBT based, some are Olympic lifting based, some are both, some are strictly conjugate but most of the really good ones now have lasers, vbt, force plates, gps so they are always monitoring and adjusting.

the difference comes in accountability

no O didnt start meddling after 2019 but he sure as frick stopped letting Tommy discpline and he sure as frick started beating the team into the ground during practice. Especially as he felt more and more pressure he stopped listening to TM and Jack.

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All I can tell you is from a small bit of inside info I had on the nutrition center (my daughter is a dietician and was working there when she was at LSU getting her undergrad degree), is that under O, there was no monitoring of the players taking their daily supplements and following any nutritional specifications.

When Kelly came in (there was also a change in the head dietician at that time), they were required to report ot their boss which players did not pick up what they were supposed to.

Not sure if that was related to the Kelly, S&C coach, or the new head of the nutrition center.

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this is 100% correct. I know this for a fact. they were given macros but no check in, no consequences for not logging, no consequences for not making weight or BF% etc

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dont come at me about westside/conjugate being better for athletic development unless you want to to really get into vbt and how slow the Olympic lifts are.

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To my knowledge, no collegiate S&C coach would suggest the issue is an either/or out of oly vs conjugate or other methods. Any even remotely successful coach will pick what they see works empirically and adapt over time - at least one would hope. Even Gayle Hatch's well circulated squat program you can find online is not what actually happened at the Hatch Dome. Nutrition is another area that is probably underrated in this discussion.

To your point about olympic lifts being slow, I disagree. There is no better compound movement that more effectively develops and produces violent hip extension at load than the clean, the violent hip extension being the absolute basis for any and every athletic movement. Hence, that's why 100% of football programs do it.

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To my knowledge, no collegiate S&C coach would suggest the issue is an either/or out of oly vs conjugate or other methods. Any even remotely successful coach will pick what they see works empirically and adapt over time - at least one would hope. Even Gayle Hatch's well circulated squat program you can find online is not what actually happened at the Hatch Dome. Nutrition is another area that is probably underrated in this discussion.

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you been around many in S&C? dogma is alive and well

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To your point about olympic lifts being slow, I disagree. There is no better compound movement that more effectively develops and produces violent hip extension at load than the clean, the violent hip extension being the absolute basis for any and every athletic movement. Hence, that's why 100% of football programs do it.

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100% do not do it

ever watched most in a CFB S&C program perform a clean? not many are getting to triple extension nor hip extension. ever put a vbt meter on the bar? looked at the actual velocities? i have and you would be shocked how slow they are even at the p4 level

Olympic lifts are terrible at developing vertical or acceleration. much much better lifts for that, mainly weighted jumps like DB jumps.

Hip thrust are better for hip extention, as is sumo deadlift. ballistic med ball throws and catches are safer and show much higher velocities

I could go into a million reasons why once you start using tech to test and track why the olympic lifts are very sub optimal for athletic development. If you like doing them cool, i love cleans and do them often, but if you are using tech and actually tracking then you will see really quickly....yea they are not that great for athletic development.

nutrition is very underrated and one of the main things that O was allowing to just go on with no oversite despite Tommy bitching constantly about it and trying to enforce standards.