re: The Walking Dead Official Comics and Speculation Thread ***Spoilers***

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Not shiva, damn. I liked the tiger better than the King.

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I'm so happy they did away with that stupid tiger. It was far too unrealistic to have a pet tiger running around.

Lizzie finds their bodies. Now that they are put down she plays with the blood or drops her knife near them. Carol hearing the commotion from Bob (he is shown to be clumsy and not a silent ninja like Michonne when killing walkers) she finds the dead bodies of Walker Karen and Walker David. But she also finds Lizzie's knife with human blood and walker blood on it. Confused she thinks Lizzie murdered them doing a bad job for them having to be re-killed as walkers. Hell maybe Carol even comes in because Bob was drunk, clumsy and upset and one or both are still holding on to a little bit of their life bar. She then does the smart thing and puts them down. She leaves the bodies where they are but decides to take the first one and at least hide it. Carol then finds signs like the knife, someone playing in the blood that leads her to believe it is Lizzie's handiwork. Fearing the worst (that Lizzie put them down because she told her to be strong) she proceeds to dispose of the bodies using the gasoline.

Tyreese finds the blood trail from Karen's cell to where Karen's burned body is. He proceeds to freak out like we saw on screen. Carol and Bob are both present at his freak out. Both are scared to death to say anything. Carol acts cold to hide her guilt as Bob decides to go with confident/competant on the surface while hitting the booze hard. Hence him running out prompting his presence on the run to the college. (where else to get Booze). Rick sort of half asses his police work (wanting to give Tyreese time to calm down before giving him any leads, perhaps to avoid Tyreese snapping and killing the first person he mentions COULD be involved. Rick then finds the evidence (small hand prints) that lead him to Carol. Once Tyreese and the Super friends are on the road trip he goes to confront her. Surprisingly to him Carol confesses, he gets her out of there to protect her from Tyreese's wrath. The group returns, Rick tells Daryl. Before he can tell Tyreese they find the evidence of more of the rat mutilation. The Governor's intervention puts a stop in everyones plans. The little kids rescue Tyreese when he is pinned down (and possibly shot). Because they have a wounded Tyreese (probably not too bad) and surprise surprise living Judith the girls suggest going back to where they lived because it close by. That happens to be the neighborhood that Rick took Carol to. Carol is able to take care of Tyreese and the little girls. Carol was probably freaked out when Tyreese shows up in the neighborhood (perhaps she thinks he came to kill her?) until it seen she has the girls Lizzie, the other one, and Judith. Hence why we know Tyreese, Carol, and the kid group have been seen filming together. None of them know the "truth" about the others in their little group. And now Tyreese owes his life to the most likely candidates for the roles he said he would kill over (Karen and David's murderers). Let me tie this all around full circle, the only "bad" things Lizzie has done is to feed the walkers/play in the blood/mutilate the rat. It wraps everything up into a neat story, filling the loose ends and no one looks like a bad guy at least not directly.

It would be real interesting to me if they still ended up doing a Tyrese/Carol love story thing like in the comics.

Tyrese and Carol could be the girls' new "parents" and then the whole psycho storyline with Lizzie could play out like with the twins in the comics. That could result in Tyrese sleeping with Michonne to get over the deaths, and then Carol could perform her comic-version's "suicide by walker" ending.

And I really really wish they would have included the Thomas killing the little girls piece in the Prison arc of the tv show.

That scene when the two girls have their heads cut off in the barber shop...

Priceless

Bump! Ready for the second half to start back tomorrow!

Kirkman is the writer and his episodes tend to be Set pieces directly from the comic but "remixed" slightly. It almost becomes the quote "History doesn't repeat itself but it often Rhymes". From everything we have seen so far from Filming Spoilers, reviews, promos etc it does appear that at least this first episode and maybe the next are the translated story of GN issues 49-54. These issues collectively are called Here We Remain. I expect one of the episodes in this back half of Season 4 will have this name as its official title or a working title which we will find out later. Usually they like to name the Penultimate episode (episode right before the season finale) after a Comic Arc/Volume. We've had Made to Suffer already (Merle's sacrifice episode). I expect 15 or 16 to be titled Here we Remain. If the group does ultimately reunite this season it will probably be that episode. Rick may even give a version of his "We are the Walking Dead" speech (though he gave one of those in season 3 it wasn't exactly the same).

So things I expect to see in this episode.

- Very few named characters. Rick, Carl, Michonne (though she may not appear until the end), and Walkers. We may see some bandits/redshirts. But all in all this appears to be a Bottle episode, Gimple loves Bottle Episodes. Before he became show runner he was an Episode writer and all of his episodes in the past were Bottle episodes (18 Miles Out and Clear the most prominent ones).

- Most of the action should focus on Carl. Rick will appear but likely spend most of the episode hurt/unconscious. The episode will focus on Carl grieving for the lost of the prison, his "family, Judith etc. He will blame Rick for not killing the Governor. He will consider abandoning Rick. He ultimately will help nurse his father back to health in some type of safe house. Depending on when she comes back into the story he may more good scenes with Michonne, either toward the end of tomorrow nights episode or next week.

- We may not see anyone else. While filming reports have been spottier this year (they are treating Season 4 with more secrecy than the Federal Government wiretapping stuff) we know the time alotted to this episode there were very few of the main cast in Georgia. Reedus was on a mini vaction, EK (Beth) did a concert series at a bar in NYC, Steve Yeun went to Korea for a convention. While they may appear in some type of montage/recap or they may have scenes even for episodes 9/10 look for these scenes to be short and separate scenes. While they don't nessecarily film everything in order, 90 percent of the main cast where not mainstays in Georgia after their break until production was well under way for episode 11.

Its not known if it is for 9 or 10 (if Michonne doesn't show up but toward the end of 9 then it will be 10's likely Pre Main Titles teaser), but a flashback was shot for Michonne at a house on a quiet suburban street made to look normal (IE none of the usual trash/crashed cars/piled up leaves/damage even Walkers). While what is in the flashback no one knows there has been some speculation. It could show how Michonne got her first set of "Pets" (they in the GN where her boyfriend and his friend but they didn't last long). But it could also be showing how she lost her child early in the start of the ZA. If you remember when Beth was tending her wound in the first half of S4, she was reluctant to pick up Judith, then started crying, then she seemed to really enjoy holding her at the end of the scene. While Michonne having a daughter is a new concept it could be a great thing. Because if Judith is with Tyreese (more on that later) then when they all reunite then the hinted at thing that welds Rick, Michonne, Carl, and Judith into a family unit would make a whole lot more sense. She already mothers Carl and has a deeper relationship with Rick than she did in the ZA. Danai Guirai and Andrew Lincoln also have much better chemistry than Lincoln had with Sara Wayne Calles. (Granted they were going for awkward/estrangement with them).

Like I said we may see the other sub groups. Filming for 9, 10, 11, and 12 was rather jumpy and was done around the heavy amount of late summer rain that Georgia got in July/August but also they have a much more eclectic shooting schedule under Gimple with his prevalence for Bottle Episodes and Bottle scenes.

In season 3 there were very few scenes that didn't take place in the prison that were not tracked. Because of Season 4's tighter security and method of storytelling, it was a lot harder to predict things for the 1st half last fall. That said there were entire blocks of episodes last fall that were shot in ways that no one knew what happened.

With that said, the shooting schedules and source material point to them not finding each other for awhile (compared to how they regrouped when they left the farm). We have absolutely no idea the extent the others will be involved if at all they will be in Episode 9. It is unlikely we see the others at all other than cameo scenes to show they are at least ok.

We know at least Glenn is appearing in episode 10. We know that he (and whatever survivors made it with him) is going to return to the prison on the bus. It appears that he will have Tara/Lily with him (the two who were with the Governor), and he will have some form of arms and body armor. The others in his little sub group are the remnants of the older people/kids (other than the commando kids that saved Tyreese). Whether all of this is for 9 or 10 is not sure. But it is more likely a good chunk of this action is in 10. If 9 focuses on Rick/Carl/Michonne then 10 likely is on Glenn. Because based on interviews we know that Michael Cudlitz character will cross paths with Glenn's subgroup in 10. This makes sense because Glenn is also the only one with a group that contains a large group of those not self sufficient (though so many are so old they likely are redshirts at best). Him meeting with Abraham's group provides him with a chance to have more help with the older people, but also potential supplies, a camp to catch his breath, and based on what Cudlitz himself said a way for Glenn to find about the Sanctuary referred to as Terminus (an old name for Atlanta oddly enough). His little sub group is the one that doesn't have a person that heard it from Rick's group. Had they had more time/better circumstances he may have been told about it. Hell he may have anyway. But its unlikely since the Scouting Mission showed up at daybreak with the meds, then broke up into little groups. It was late morning when the Governor took Hershel/Michonne prisoner and the prison assault started. So it is very unlikely Glenn knew at all without Abraham's help. I also think its possible if they do they "Glenn/Maggie think all hope is lost, partner is dead situation" then it would be most likely with Glenn. Glenn will be with Abraham's group. If he is with them awhile and thinks everyone in the prison is gone (because they never come to one of their safehouses), then Abraham has Rosita a young hispanic girl with him. The person they cast as Rosita is made to be in her early/mid 20s. This de-aging for the show and casting a much more attractive person that older GN Rosita is done purposely. I mean they've moved her out of the range to be Abraham's LI (Abraham is 50). While I hope they don't go down this road it seems to be a popular pet theory on the other sites. I hope it doesn't happen

I have had waaaaaaaaaaaaay too much to drink to read all of that. Maybe tomorrow/later today.

I'd be surprised if we are in "Alexandria" by the end of this season. Seems like that would be jumping ahead in the story.

I'd also be dissapointed because that would lead me to believe we won't get the Hunters in the show. =\

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Well the Sanctuary they are going to is either a translated version of Alexandria or its a trap set by the Hunters or Negan.

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I think it will set up the Hunters

You could really tell that Kirkman wrote this episode.

He adapted the comic issues really well in this episode