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re: Mafia discussion thread and reviews
Posted on 7/3/17 at 1:42 pm to Jones
Posted on 7/3/17 at 1:42 pm to Jones
Been a while since I read any Mafia books so can't remember the authors but Mafia Dynasty was very good in that it went in chronological order like the Selwyn Rabb book in telling the history of the Mafia. Some others I've read are about Gotti, Gravano's book, Bill Bonanno's book, Murder Machine, Boss Of Bosses, Henry Hill's book that was the basis for Goodfellas, The Outfit, covering the Chicago Syndicate from Johnny Torrio to Tony Accardo. There was one that was a really good read, written by law enforcement, about a sting concerning the garbage industry in New York. Can't for the life of me remember the name of it but will see if I can hunt it down. Like the OP, the Mafia has always fascinated me and often they and the FBI were, as Frank Costello put it, different sides of the same coin.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 9:06 am to samson73103
The Outfit was very good
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Posted on 7/4/17 at 5:11 pm to Jones
A fascinating tale of a mob hit man who claims to have killed Jimmy Hoffa;
Posted on 7/5/17 at 2:32 pm to BCMCubs
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The Outfit was very good
Probably up next on my list. About to finish Sammy the Bull's book.
I avoided The Outfit recently because of its length
Posted on 7/5/17 at 5:59 pm to Jones
It read pretty easy. The length wasnt much of a labor
Posted on 9/4/17 at 8:16 pm to BCMCubs
The Good Rat by Jimmy Breslin
Definitely a book to read after you have read a good amount of other books. The author I didnt like originally but his style grew on me. He is extremely brash and cocky. Plenty of court papers with exact dialogue during the trials. I powered through it to get to the next book
The Valachi Papers
I hate to say it because I had high hopes for the book, but I wouldnt bother reading this. Pretty boring considering the subject matter.
Underboss by Peter Mass
Fantastic book from start to finish. This guy really had an incredible rise through the ranks. You always hear him being described as a rat only. After reading this book, I cant blame him for what he did. He was going to get screwed by Gotti and it was his only way out. I think it sucks that his turn hurt Gaspipe's future, but that was the fault of the US Govt. This is a must read
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In his inimitable New York voice, Pulitzer Prize winner Jimmy Breslin gives us a look through the keyhole at the people and places that define the Mafia—characters like John Gotti, Sammy "the Bull" Gravano, Anthony "Gaspipe" Casso (named for his weapon of choice), and Jimmy "the Clam" Eppolito—interwoven with the remarkable true-crime saga of the good rat himself, Burt Kaplan of Bensonhurst, Brooklyn, the star witness in the recent trial of two NYPD detectives indicted for carrying out eight gangland executions. Through these unforgettable real-life and long-forgotten Mafia stories, Jimmy Breslin captures the moments in which the mob was made and broken
Definitely a book to read after you have read a good amount of other books. The author I didnt like originally but his style grew on me. He is extremely brash and cocky. Plenty of court papers with exact dialogue during the trials. I powered through it to get to the next book
The Valachi Papers
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The First Inside Account of the Mafia In the 1960s a disgruntled soldier in New York's Genovese Crime Family decided to spill his guts. His name was Joseph Valachi. Daring to break the Mob's code of silence for the first time, Valachi detailed the organization of organized crime from the capos, or bosses, of every Family, to the hit men who "clipped" rivals and turncoats. With a phenomenal memory for names, dates, addresses, phone numbers—and where the bodies were buried—Joe Valachi provided the chilling facts that led to the arrest and conviction of America's major crime figures.
I hate to say it because I had high hopes for the book, but I wouldnt bother reading this. Pretty boring considering the subject matter.
Underboss by Peter Mass
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In March of 1992, the highest–ranking member of the Mafia in America ever to break his oath of silence testified against his boss, John Gotti. He is Salvatore ("Sammy the Bull") Gravano, second–in–command of the Gambino crime family, the most powerful in the nation. Because of Gotti‘s uncanny ability to escape conviction in state and federal trials despite charges that he was the Mafia‘s top chieftain, the media had dubbed him the "Teflon Don." With Sammy the Bull, this would all change.
Today Gotti is serving life in prison without parole. And as a direct consequence of Gravano‘s testimony, the Cosa Nostra – the Mafia‘s true name – is in shambles
Fantastic book from start to finish. This guy really had an incredible rise through the ranks. You always hear him being described as a rat only. After reading this book, I cant blame him for what he did. He was going to get screwed by Gotti and it was his only way out. I think it sucks that his turn hurt Gaspipe's future, but that was the fault of the US Govt. This is a must read
Posted on 9/4/17 at 8:41 pm to Jones
The Mafia and the Machine: The Story of the Kansas City Mob
Might not be a popular choice but this is a very good book. The amount of power and connections this family had rivaled some of the biggest families in the country. Quick read and shows the big connection between the political machine and the mob.
Casino: Love and Honor in Las Vegas
Was fun reading this after seeing the movie countless times. Tony the Ant was a maniac badass and the movie doesnt do him justice. As you would expect, the movie alters what happened in real life to some degree, but it is pretty accurate as a whole. Quick read and a must if you enjoyed the movie.
Currently reading The Outfit. Very good so far.
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The story of the American Mafia is not complete without a chapter on Kansas City. The City of Fountains has appeared in the The Godfather, Casino, and The Sopranos, but many Midwesterners are not aware that Kansas City has affected the fortunes of the entire underworld. In The Mafia and the Machine, author Frank Hayde ties in every major name in organized crime-Luciano, Bugsy, Lansky-as well as the city's corrupt police force.
Might not be a popular choice but this is a very good book. The amount of power and connections this family had rivaled some of the biggest families in the country. Quick read and shows the big connection between the political machine and the mob.
Casino: Love and Honor in Las Vegas
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From Nicholas Pileggi, author of Wiseguy —the #1 bestseller that became Martin Scorsese’s Academy Award–winning film GoodFellas—comes the brilliantly told true story of love, marriage, adultery, murder, and revenge, Mafia-style . . . the shattering inside account of how the mob finally lost its stranglehold over the neon money-making machine it created: the multibillion-dollar casino gambling industry of Las Vegas.
CASINO
No one knew more about casinos than Frank “Lefty” Rosenthal, the gambling mastermind who, along with his best friend and partner, Anthony Spilotro, virtually ran Las Vegas for the mob. For years, it was the perfect arrangement—Lefty provided the smarts, while Tony kept the bosses happy with their weekly suitcases filled with millions in skimmed cash. It should have lasted forever, but Lefty’s obsession with running the town—and Tony’s obsession with Lefty’s beautiful showgirl wife, Geri—eventually led to the betrayals and investigations that exploded into one of the greatest debacles in mob history.
Was fun reading this after seeing the movie countless times. Tony the Ant was a maniac badass and the movie doesnt do him justice. As you would expect, the movie alters what happened in real life to some degree, but it is pretty accurate as a whole. Quick read and a must if you enjoyed the movie.
Currently reading The Outfit. Very good so far.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:56 am to Jones
thanks for the summaries
Definitely going to try and read Underboss when I have time
Definitely going to try and read Underboss when I have time
Posted on 9/12/17 at 7:42 pm to Paul Allen
Underboss: Sammy the Bull Gravano
Posted on 9/14/17 at 7:30 am to NIH
It's worth the read. Great book from front to back and is a true look into why some of these guys turn
Posted on 1/6/18 at 7:31 pm to Jones
A very short documentary some here might be interested in:
Crazy Joe Gallo
Crazy Joe Gallo
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Joseph Gallo (April 7, 1929 – April 7, 1972), also known as "Crazy Joe", was a celebrated New York City gangster for the Profaci crime family, later known as the Colombo crime family. Gallo initiated one of the bloodiest mob conflicts since the 1931 Castellammarese War and was murdered as a result of it.
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At Auburn [NY state prison], Gallo took up watercolor painting and became an avid reader, soon becoming conversant on Jean-Paul Sartre, Franz Kafka, Albert Camus, Alexandre Dumas, Victor Hugo, Leo Tolstoy, Ayn Rand and his role model, Niccolò Machiavelli
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Gallo soon became a part of New York high society. His connection started when actor Jerry Orbach played the inept mobster "Kid Sally Palumbo" in the 1971 film The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight, a role loosely based on Gallo.[3] Gallo felt the Palumbo character was demeaning and wanted to discuss his objections with Orbach. After Gallo dined with Orbach and his first wife, Marta Curro, they became good friends and the couple invited Gallo to many social events. Marta Orbach later commented that Gallo had "absolutely" charmed her. Gallo's new friends soon included actress Joan Hackett, comedian David Steinberg and writer Peter Stone. Gallo and his wife Jeffie moved from President Street to an apartment in Greenwich Village so they could live closer to his new social circle.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 7:59 pm to Kafka
Cool video. The guy did have a fitting name
Im slow on my book reading right now
Im slow on my book reading right now
Posted on 12/8/18 at 4:32 pm to Jones
Finished The Outfit. It was a very detailed book but I found myself bored with it because of length and the sheer amount of topics they had to touch on. Seems like they couldnt dive into much because theyre doing such a huge time frame.
The book though does open your eyes into how powerful this organization was. I wouldnt call it a 'family' like the other cities mobs because they let non-Italians join. They were arguably the most powerful underworld group in America.
This next one was a very quick read. Finished in 3 days or so. Michael was the son of a mafia captain in the Colombo family. He was in school to become a doctor and kind of got sucked into the life trying to get his father out of prison.
He made more money for the mob than anyone since Al Capone. He ran a gas tax scheme where he was making tens of millions of dollars a week, in cash. Insane what he and some others were doing
The book is great 80% in until he found Jesus. It got preachy then and a little boring. Still worth a buy
The book though does open your eyes into how powerful this organization was. I wouldnt call it a 'family' like the other cities mobs because they let non-Italians join. They were arguably the most powerful underworld group in America.
This next one was a very quick read. Finished in 3 days or so. Michael was the son of a mafia captain in the Colombo family. He was in school to become a doctor and kind of got sucked into the life trying to get his father out of prison.
He made more money for the mob than anyone since Al Capone. He ran a gas tax scheme where he was making tens of millions of dollars a week, in cash. Insane what he and some others were doing
The book is great 80% in until he found Jesus. It got preachy then and a little boring. Still worth a buy
Posted on 12/9/18 at 1:10 pm to Jones
Wiseguy by Nicholas Pillegi: amazing how much dialogue and story lifted straight out of this book for Goodfellas.
I Heard You Paint Houses by Charles Brandt: fascinating story of what happened to Hoffa. Soon to be movie by Scorsese.
I Heard You Paint Houses by Charles Brandt: fascinating story of what happened to Hoffa. Soon to be movie by Scorsese.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 9:31 pm to rebelrouser
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I Heard You Paint Houses by Charles Brandt: fascinating story of what happened to Hoffa. Soon to be movie by Scorsese
One subject I haven't dove into much. Might read it before the movie comes out
Posted on 12/12/18 at 7:16 am to Jones
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Iirc, bonnano's voice was the inspiration for the godfathers odd speech.
I'm not sure that's right. I know that Puzo used a number of real mob bosses to create a composite, including Bonnano, but I'm fairly certain Frank Costello was the main basis for the accent - at least the accent in the film portrayed by Brando. Brando put a little extra flavor into it, but Costello had that raspy kind of halting speech pattern, more so than Bonnano (or Gambino or Profaci, for that matter).
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 7:17 am
Posted on 12/16/18 at 8:38 pm to Jones
Read the Chin recently and thought it was good not great. Crazy how powerful Gigante was and how long of a reign he had as boss. Gigante outside of his insanity act was such a by the book gangster that the subject material itself is kinda thin outside of a few things that aren’t really public knowledge. Namely that Gigante basically incited the Philly wars in the 80s and was closer than most knew to whacking Gotti
Also read The Sinatra Club by Sal Polisi. Again, good not great. Entertaining read but like with Henry Hill, I thought Polisi grossly inflated his importance and proximity to important made guys
Also read The Sinatra Club by Sal Polisi. Again, good not great. Entertaining read but like with Henry Hill, I thought Polisi grossly inflated his importance and proximity to important made guys
Posted on 12/16/18 at 8:40 pm to Jones
Still need to get a hold of Underboss - for some reason it’s not on the Kindle store
Posted on 12/16/18 at 11:04 pm to NIH
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Read the Chin
I put it down about 80 pages in. Dunno why.
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Also read The Sinatra Club by Sal Polisi
Was my other option to what I'm reading now.
About 2/3 the way through Boardwalk Gangster. Lucky Luciano book.
Are you against reading books not on kindle?
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