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re: Just finished book one of Dune for the first time.

Posted on 7/13/20 at 1:22 pm to
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
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Posted on 7/13/20 at 1:22 pm to
I'm not too worried cause I'm not really planning on reading these any time soon - buy yall may want to go in and add SPOILER warnings where applicable. OP said he was just getting through and trying to avoid spoilers for now
Posted by DestrehanTiger
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Posted on 8/2/21 at 1:35 pm to
I just finished the first Dune book. It took me 2-3 times putting it down and picking it back up before I got into it, but, once I got over the hump, I absolutely loved it. Now that I've had a chance to read the book, I find myself wondering how the book was 800 pages yet I felt so much was left out of the story.

These are just a few off the top of my head.

- The Harkonnen takeover of Arrakis felt very quick, and many of the skirmishes happened off-screen
- They give us a ton of background on the Baron and his two nephews, but then the Baron and Rabban are dispatched very quickly. The duel with Feyd was awesome at the end, though.
- From the time Paul rides the worm to the Fremen being ready to take over the planet seemed quick as well.

Like I said. I loved the story, world, and most everything about it, but I felt like it could have been 1,600 pages, and I would've kept reading.

Having said all that, how satisfied would you guys say you are with the remainder of the series. I feel like I've seen mixed reviews. From what I gather, it's not 6 books on Paul, but that you move forward and back in time many years. Does it feel like a complete story over 6 books, or is it more of 6 stories in this world?
This post was edited on 8/2/21 at 1:36 pm
Posted by Philzilla2k
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Posted on 8/3/21 at 4:54 am to
It’s two trilogies with a bridge book in the middle, except Frank Herbert died and never finished the second trilogy.
Posted by boxcarbarney
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Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:12 am to
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Having said all that, how satisfied would you guys say you are with the remainder of the series. I feel like I've seen mixed reviews. From what I gather, it's not 6 books on Paul, but that you move forward and back in time many years. Does it feel like a complete story over 6 books, or is it more of 6 stories in this world?


Books 2 and 3 take place soon after the events of the 1st book.

Book 4 takes place some 3000 years afterwards, and really turns the Dune universe on its head. If you read it, pay very close attention to Leto and his actions. He explains why he is doing what he does, but its mentioned in passing so its easy to overlook.

Books 5 and 6 take place hundreds of years after book 4. We never get a resolution to Frank's story since he died before he could finish. You can read his son's books that complete the story, but most diehard Dune fans see these as more fanfiction than canon.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
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Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:38 am to
I've read 2 and 3 and both were solid enough - but didn't really capture the same level of dune magic. They do tell a cohesive story but the intent of the story is to look at massive events and interpretation of those events can change as you move out further in time. Some really cool concepts but nothing that grabbed me as much as book 1 thus far.
Posted by Civildawg
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Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:08 pm to
So I just finished the first book a few weeks ago and I’ll add my opinion in here as well. I really liked the first 3/4 of the book but the last 1/4 was hard to get through for me. It seemed like things went from one place to another so quick and Paul’s attitude changed into from someone who was humble to someone that was kind of a pompous arse. I’m debating on getting the second book or reading something else first
Posted by squid_hunt
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Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:13 pm to
The secret to the Dune series is to read it over and over. They're brilliant. As has been pointed out, there is so much subtlety in what is occurring. They are first and foremost political books which is why so much of the military stuff takes place off screen.

God Emperor is my favorite of the series by a long shot. Leto captivated me. I love his character and his morality.

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Look at them now. Look at what they do as I write these things. Ha!
This post was edited on 8/3/21 at 9:13 pm
Posted by Philzilla2k
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Posted on 8/4/21 at 6:47 am to
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Paul’s attitude changed into from someone who was humble to someone that was kind of a pompous arse.

That’s the point.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
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Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:09 am to
It took me forever to get into the book, the opening 1/4 or so was just a struggle in terms of a learning curve but is much better on a reread.

I've read some other series that deal with huge time-scales and it certainly has an impact on the narrative. Dune could have easily been an excellent trilogy that gets a little more in depth on some of the aspects but still being really well-paced. The time-scales of the rest of his series vision limits this section of the overall story to a single book though and it can certainly make the character evolution feel more abrupt than necessary.
Posted by DestrehanTiger
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Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:37 am to
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It took me forever to get into the book, the opening 1/4 or so was just a struggle in terms of a learning curve but is much better on a reread.


That's how I was as well. All of the new terms are just thrown at you assuming you know them already. I didn't realize until I finished the book that there is a glossary in the back. In hind sight, though, I am glad he started it that way. It would've felt like a kids' book if the author explained everything.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 8/4/21 at 10:07 am to
Ya, it is much more rewarding a lot of my favorite sci fi / fantasy heavily relies on the reader to push through and figure it out.
Posted by boxcarbarney
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Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:22 am to
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I’m debating on getting the second book or reading something else first


The second book is nowhere as dense as the first. A lot of the universe has been set up in the first book, so it makes for an easier read. Same with the 3rd.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:25 am to
Ya I've gotten through both of those, just didn't really capture my interest like the first. They were solid enough and I'll read the rest of them at some point - but 2 and 3 didn't make me feel like I needed to jump into the last 2
Posted by DukeSilver
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Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:27 am to
I'm about 1/4 way through the final of the Frank Hebert written books Chapterhouse Dune. I've enjoyed all of them and am interested to see how this one ends, but I enjoyed the first one the most.
Posted by boxcarbarney
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Posted on 8/4/21 at 1:06 pm to
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just didn't really capture my interest like the first.


From what I understand, Frank really didn't want to write sequels, but was pressured into it by his publisher. So 2 was kind of written quickly and almost half-heartedly. Book 4 is very good. Book 5 and 6 are also good, but ultimately disappointing because we never get a resolution to the story.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 8/12/21 at 9:37 pm to
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The next two books weren't quite up to the same level I didn't think.


You're not alone. I don't want to color the OP's experience, but a solid percentage of folks think that first book was peak Dune.

Regardless, what a ride.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 8/12/21 at 9:56 pm to
I thought the first book was alright. Read about half of Messiah before quitting. I'm sure I still have it somewhere, but there's no desire to give it another shot.
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