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Just finished book one of Dune for the first time.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 10:45 am
Posted on 7/8/20 at 10:45 am
Holy shite what a great read.
And what a great quote:
No spoilers please.
On to Book Two: Muad'Dib
And what a great quote:
quote:
There should be a science of discontent. People need hard times and oppression to develop psychic muscles.
No spoilers please.
On to Book Two: Muad'Dib
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Posted on 7/8/20 at 11:04 am to Breesus
The next two books weren't quite up to the same level I didn't think. EDITed out what could be considered a spoiler though i didn't really say anything
This post was edited on 7/8/20 at 11:06 am
Posted on 7/8/20 at 2:01 pm to Breesus
Messiah and Children are really two halves of one book. After you read em go find the sci fi mini series.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 4:44 pm to Breesus
Dune is about to enter my rotation. I've been meaning to read it for years, so I am including it into my audiobook list as soon as I finish my reread of the Dresden books. My friend has been pushing me for the longest time to read it. It's one of his favorite series.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 4:57 pm to Midget Death Squad
It's been on my todo list for a long time as well. It was well worth the read. I'll make this a discussion thread about the book when I'm done.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 9:15 pm to Breesus
The ending was just weird to me. Riding the giant worms? but, Paul got revenge on the Padishah Emperor for his father. Overall, I'd give it a solid 8/10.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 10:31 am to Breesus
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On to Book Two: Muad'Dib
So you finished the first "book" in the 1st Dune novel, correct? Just making sure I don't spoil anything for you. I'm kind of jealous. I wish I could read Dune for the first time again. I'm glad you're picking up on the philosophy of the novel. Some seem to miss it, then complain that the book is boring.
This post was edited on 7/9/20 at 10:33 am
Posted on 7/9/20 at 12:32 pm to boxcarbarney
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I'm kind of jealous. I wish I could read Dune for the first time again. I'm glad you're picking up on the philosophy of the novel. Some seem to miss it, then complain that the book is boring.
Agreed, God Emperor of Dune is top tier in favorite books.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 12:37 pm to Philzilla2k
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I'm kind of jealous. I wish I could read Dune for the first time again. I'm glad you're picking up on the philosophy of the novel. Some seem to miss it, then complain that the book is boring.
Agreed, God Emperor of Dune is top tier in favorite books.
I thought it was perfect in Dune, Children of Dune and Dune Messiaha didn't really have a good balance IMO. I stopped after the 3rd for that reason - may come back at some other time but too many other things i'm trying to read at the moment.
This post was edited on 7/9/20 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 7/9/20 at 12:37 pm to Philzilla2k
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Agreed, God Emperor of Dune is top tier in favorite books.
That's such a bipolar book in terms of fandom. I know a number of people like you that have it as a top tier book, but for myself it was by far the worst book in the series, and I didn't even like it all that much. Seems to be a love/hate book for many people.
This post was edited on 7/9/20 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 7/9/20 at 1:59 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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I thought it was perfect in Dune, Children of Dune and Dune Messiaha didn't really have a good balance IMO. I stopped after the 3rd for that reason - may come back at some other time but too many other things i'm trying to read at the moment.
You really need to get to God Emperor. It turns the entire Dune Universe on its head. Once you read the rest of the books, you realize that God Emperor is the nexus of this universe. All actions before it lead to Leto II and all actions afterwards are a result of his Golden Path.
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That's such a bipolar book in terms of fandom. I know a number of people like you that have it as a top tier book, but for myself it was by far the worst book in the series, and I didn't even like it all that much. Seems to be a love/hate book for many people.
My first readthrough of the series, God Emperor was my least favorite. After subsequent reads, it became my favorite. So much happens that is nuanced, or is mentioned in passing, that I missed a lot my first time around.
Leto and Siona in the desert becomes profound if you pay close enough attention to it.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 3:27 pm to boxcarbarney
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My first readthrough of the series, God Emperor was my least favorite. Afte
Yeah, I've read through the series multiple times, really didn't change my opinion on it. It's a slow meandering book full of philosophical musings, not my thing typically since it's rare that books like that discuss things I haven't read/examined before. And yeah, I'd agree much of Leto's story is very poignant, I've just read the immortal character's existential troubles subplot many a time, but usually in books that have far more interesting plots (see Malazan series for example).
It doesn't help that the realization of the golden path doesn't truly get covered in the books since he died and didn't finish the series, and I say that as someone who really likes the last two books a great deal.
This post was edited on 7/9/20 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 7/10/20 at 4:21 pm to auyushu
It was kind of part of the point there. We got the abbreviated Golden Path by skipping the 4000 years between Children and God Emperor. So it helped us slide right into the protagonist's shoes as he was doing the same thing. From there its what level of revulsion do we have to what's happened.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 4:25 pm to auyushu
I'm still pissed at Kevin J Anderson bringing back Omnius and Erasmus to be Daniel and Marty when they were clearly Face Dancers.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 6:01 pm to ZappBrannigan
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We got the abbreviated Golden Path by skipping the 4000 years between Children and God Emperor.
I meant the aftermath and how it worked out/benefited everyone and the sandworms, etc, never got fully developed, not the actual process. Not really much point in seeing the 4000 years, as it's just forced stagnation. I was referring to the after God emperor plot there, not during it since I guess I wasn't clear on that.
I never bothered to read the ones by Anderson and son, as I heard they were garbage and knew they wouldn't follow Herbert's intentions anyway.
This post was edited on 7/10/20 at 6:03 pm
Posted on 7/10/20 at 10:48 pm to ZappBrannigan
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I'm still pissed at Kevin J Anderson bringing back Omnius and Erasmus to be Daniel and Marty when they were clearly Face Dancers.
Yeah, no way is that what Frank Herbert had in mind.
Posted on 7/12/20 at 7:32 pm to Breesus
Fear is the mind killer.
Great quote for our current shite show
Great quote for our current shite show
Posted on 7/12/20 at 8:06 pm to Breesus
My favorite thing about that book was how it just throws you into this universe that’s so different without the need to explain every little thing about it. A little mystery and ambiguity goes a long way in fictional universes.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 9:52 am to auyushu
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I meant the aftermath and how it worked out/benefited everyone and the sandworms, etc, never got fully developed, not the actual process.
But the main goals of the Golden Path were realized;
1. Because Leto kept humanity bottled up so long, his death lead to the scattering. As such, mankind was too spread out among the stars to be eliminated by a single threat.
2. As a result of Leto's breeding program, the Siona gene ensured that humanity could never be rounded up and ruled by a prescient leader; people with the Siona gene are invisible to prescience.
Yeah, we never got to see what the great threat the Honored Matres were fleeing. And sure as shite it wasn't those two clowns Omnius and Erasmus. We never got a resolution to the story. But Leto's Peace, Leto's Golden Path saw its resolution in the Great Scattering and the Siona Gene.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 11:11 am to boxcarbarney
Bene Tleilax fricked us.
My assumption was Face Dancer rebellion. And with the masters ( I can't remember if that was their title or not) being revealed to have those vials of everyone, the Face Dancers got their hands on it and made some sorta Ghola army with a bunch of fricking Paul and Idaho enhanced nonsense. Daniel and Marty completely viewed the NoShip which also meant the Golden Path was compromised in some fashion by Duncan's presence at least. A lot of questions out there. But I'm satisfied with Daniel and Marty being Frank and Beverly and Dune 7's outline being a purple crayon scrawled "write Dune 7."
But no, Kevin, you getting Brian on board for the robots retread is a crime and misses the set up point of the Honored Matres being the liberated Axlotl Tanks that got liberated because humans once again fell to hubris and got lazy and Bene Tleilax provided the foundation of an organic (instead of robotic) rebellion to accidently test the Path.
My assumption was Face Dancer rebellion. And with the masters ( I can't remember if that was their title or not) being revealed to have those vials of everyone, the Face Dancers got their hands on it and made some sorta Ghola army with a bunch of fricking Paul and Idaho enhanced nonsense. Daniel and Marty completely viewed the NoShip which also meant the Golden Path was compromised in some fashion by Duncan's presence at least. A lot of questions out there. But I'm satisfied with Daniel and Marty being Frank and Beverly and Dune 7's outline being a purple crayon scrawled "write Dune 7."
But no, Kevin, you getting Brian on board for the robots retread is a crime and misses the set up point of the Honored Matres being the liberated Axlotl Tanks that got liberated because humans once again fell to hubris and got lazy and Bene Tleilax provided the foundation of an organic (instead of robotic) rebellion to accidently test the Path.
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