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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
Posted on 9/11/12 at 10:00 pm to MFn GIMP
Posted on 9/11/12 at 10:00 pm to MFn GIMP
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It seems interesting that he would see Jon's face when thinking about that. If R+L=J was true then Jon wouldn't really be a bastard,
Wasn't Rhaegar married to Elia? I did not know that he and Lyanna were ever married. Jon is a bastard, imo. Not a baseborn bastard, but still a bastard.
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Posted on 9/11/12 at 10:02 pm to Mr. Wayne
Why were Ned and company fighting to the death if all parties were there to protect Jon? Seems Jon could have been used as a motive to resolve the entire Rebellion if both sides valued him so.
Posted on 9/11/12 at 10:04 pm to GeauxTigers18
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secret is that Jon is a Baratheon and she wanted to keep him away from Cersei.
I don't see it. I don't see that minimal of a storyline being such a secret as to not reveal it for 3000 pages.
Posted on 9/11/12 at 10:13 pm to GeauxTigers18
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Why were Ned and company fighting to the death if all parties were there to protect Jon? Seems Jon could have been used as a motive to resolve the entire Rebellion if both sides valued him so.
They were still fighting for two different factions. In one corner you have 3 knights of the kingsguard and the other you have 7 men of the rebellion.
Now both want the heir..... Why would the kingsguard give the heir to the rebels???
Posted on 9/11/12 at 10:20 pm to CottonWasKing
The Kingsguard stayed at the Tower of Joy because
The Kingsguard does not flee.
they swore a vow
The Kingsguard does not flee.
they swore a vow
Posted on 9/11/12 at 10:24 pm to CottonWasKing
i dont think targs would have ever stoped trying to get RT's only living heir. And just let the Starks have him. Arthur Dayne was there to kill the child and tie up RTs loose end. Sword of the morning wouldnt kill pregnant woman.
This post was edited on 9/11/12 at 10:26 pm
Posted on 9/11/12 at 10:33 pm to CottonWasKing
RT already had other heirs that were still alive and known at the time of the Tower of Joy. Jons claim would have been weaker then theirs. Even it that was what GRRM set out to write, I dont think he will now. He is the biggest troll the literary world has known in some time.
This post was edited on 9/11/12 at 10:35 pm
Posted on 9/11/12 at 10:35 pm to GeauxTigers18
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i dont think targs would have ever stoped trying to get RT's only living heir. And just let the Starks have him. Arthur Dayne was there to kill the child and tie up RTs loose end. Sword of the morning wouldnt kill pregnant woman.
But he would kill an infant? No of course not. If he was given orders he would've killed them then returned to his king. The only reasonable explanation for them being there is too protect Rhaegars son.
Why would they go after Robert's heirs? He had won he sat the iron throne and as far as we can tell no one went after any of Robert's bastards until Cersei came along or Gendry would likely be dead.
Second why would Robert ask Ned who Jon's parents were if Robert was indeed the father? Ned would have no need to keep that from Robert nor would he have any need to keep the child for Robert and keep him a secret.
Why would Ned need to keep a baratheon a secret? The Baratheons won.
Posted on 9/11/12 at 10:37 pm to GeauxTigers18
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RT already had other heirs that were still alive and known at the time of the Tower of Joy. Jons claim would have been weaker then theirs. Even it that was what GRRM set out to write, I dont think he will now. He is the biggest troll the literary world has known in some time.
You do realize that The Tower of Joy occured AFTER the sack of King's Landing right? So no, the KG would have been defending the last living offspring of Rhaegar Targaryen.
Posted on 9/11/12 at 10:37 pm to CottonWasKing
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What did I miss?
Everone in this thread agrees that Darkstar is Aegon VI....except you.
Posted on 9/11/12 at 10:39 pm to CottonWasKing
I think LS knew Robert was a dbag. She clearly stated such. And may have known Jon would turn out to be a little Joffrey with Rob as a dad. The fact he won was why she was hiding.
Posted on 9/11/12 at 10:41 pm to jrodLSUke
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Everone in this thread agrees that Darkstar is Aegon VI....except you.
Posted on 9/11/12 at 10:45 pm to GeauxTigers18
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I think LS knew Robert was a dbag. She clearly stated such. And may have known Jon would turn out to be a little Joffrey with Rob as a dad. The fact he won was why she was hiding.
Ok.... let say that Lyanna was in fact a greenseer and predicted Bob took the turn he ended up doing... something no one else predicted not even Ned, you know his best friend.
But lets say that happened..... When did Robert and Lyanna have a chance to meet? Every account we have of Robert and Lyanna is that Robert loved her from afar. While we have hard evidence of the fact that Rhaegar queened Lyanna queen of love and beauty at the tourney of harrenhall.
Posted on 9/11/12 at 10:47 pm to CottonWasKing
So what would they have done with Jon had they taken him. No one would have believed his lineage anyway. He would probably had been more likely to die had Dayne and company won. No way there is this underground of Targ loyalists that know Rheagars heir exists and do nothing. If the KG is there its not a secret.
Posted on 9/11/12 at 10:50 pm to CottonWasKing
Lyanna knew Robert enough to comment on his lack of character. The fact she was kidnapped is what set off the Rebellion supposedly. Pretty sure he hit that.
Posted on 9/11/12 at 10:51 pm to GeauxTigers18
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So what would they have done with Jon had they taken him. No one would have believed his lineage anyway. He would probably had been more likely to die had Dayne and company won. No way there is this underground of Targ loyalists that know Rheagars heir exists and do nothing. If the KG is there its not a secret.
Keeping him was never in their plan. They are some of the brightest military minds in the world at the time. They knew they would be found and that hey would die. They were just going to live out their vows first.
Thats the type of men they were. They preferred an honorable death... a warriors death. If they must lose their lives let them lose it defending their charge to the death.
No they never suspected they would win.
Posted on 9/11/12 at 10:54 pm to GeauxTigers18
Robert says in GOT to Ned that their houses were set to be joined through Lyanna. I believe its a clear indication they knew each other well.
Posted on 9/11/12 at 10:55 pm to GeauxTigers18
You are ignoring a lot of the prophecies, which may actually be smart considering there are so many. The Kingsguard at the Tower of Joy seem to be there as followers of Rhaegar. Rhaegar assumed his older children would be safe in Kings Landing. He left Jon under the protection of the Kingsguard that seem to be on board with the changes he was planning to make. He believed he needed all 3 children because the dragon has three heads.
Posted on 9/11/12 at 10:55 pm to GeauxTigers18
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Lyanna knew Robert enough to comment on his lack of character
Lyanna had heard tale of Robert's bastard he already had. They never met as far as we know from the books.
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The fact she was kidnapped is what set off the Rebellion supposedly
She was betrothed to Robert. That doesn't mean they ever met nor had any relationship whatsoever. Its not like Lyanna lived in the Vale with Robert and Ned.
Posted on 9/11/12 at 10:59 pm to CottonWasKing
Ned stated he did not think RT was the type of dude to knock up and produce bastards like Robert. Funny thing to say if you know he knocked your sister up and you are raising his kid.
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