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Posted on 8/23/12 at 11:58 am to BluegrassBelle
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Citadel and Oldtown
Most of my interest is being drawn here. Something major is about to go down. And by about, I mean as soon as GRRM puts the fork down and picks up a pen.
Posted on 8/23/12 at 12:14 pm to Mr. Wayne
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Or the fact that Highgarden and Casterly Rock have been mortal enemies for hundreds of years. Didn't know that until I read the Dunk & Egg books. I assumed they weren't besties, but didn't realize that the hate goes back generations.
This kinda goes into one of my theories. That with the centuries of feuds and wars that went on between the Seven Kingdoms and major families, that one of them cannot rule them all for long because the other Houses would remember some past transgression and rebel.
Robert was able to rule because the people wanted a break form all the fighting, but he still had to deal with the Greyjoys rebelling. The Seven Kingdoms were not united as one until an outsider, the Targaryens, came and conquered. They did not have the centuries of bad blood that the other Houses had with each other.
It reminds me a lot of Ancient Greece, the major city states, Athens, Sparta, and Thebes were allies and enemies depending on what was going on; however, they were never totally united as one before Phillip of Macedon came and concurred them.
The Seven Kingdoms will not be united as one until an outsider is able to take over. The Lannisters, Starks, Tyrells, and Barthrons will not be able to rule and unite them all.
Posted on 8/23/12 at 12:39 pm to Mr. Wayne
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Most of my interest is being drawn here. Something major is about to go down. And by about, I mean as soon as GRRM puts the fork down and picks up a pen.
The scariest character to me right now got kicked out of there, Qyburn. He is one creepy bastard and while he may prove useful to Ceresi I don't trust him. At all. Even for the Lannisters.
I wonder what his ulterior motives are most of all.
Posted on 8/23/12 at 12:47 pm to BluegrassBelle
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I wonder what his ulterior motives are most of all.
The only opinion I have developed is that he wants to ally himself to someone in a strong enough position of power to let him continue his studies. He is obsessed with life and death, as well as the dark arts. Cersei provided him with a master that gave him the freedom to pursue his life's goals. Which is to learn at any cost as much as possible.
Posted on 8/23/12 at 1:22 pm to Mr. Wayne
I love Qyburn! He is such an awesome character. I'm so interested in seeing where he ends up? If he dies, does Robert Strong die as well? Could be an interesting weakness. Robert vs Sandor will be mind blowing. Qyburn is just so cool. I love his story on how he got booted from the Citadel.
Posted on 8/23/12 at 1:23 pm to Carson123987
For once I agree with you on a character
Posted on 8/23/12 at 2:41 pm to Carson123987
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If he dies, does Robert Strong die as well?
This is intriguing me also. It will be interesting to see if Robert Strong is a mindless vessel that merely does what he is instructed to do, or if he will retain some of the Mountains mannerisms. Something that lethal with the worst temperament possible ought to be pretty exciting.
Posted on 8/23/12 at 3:02 pm to Mr. Wayne
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This is intriguing me also. It will be interesting to see if Robert Strong is a mindless vessel that merely does what he is instructed to do, or if he will retain some of the Mountains mannerisms. Something that lethal with the worst temperament possible ought to be pretty exciting.
From what Qyburn says, he is pretty much SuperMountain. If that beast has the ability to act on it's own, that will be very scary....something that could only be defeated.....by Sandor and Jaime together. I get a chub just thinking about that fight.
Posted on 8/23/12 at 3:15 pm to Carson123987
So let's talk the Pink Letter (the letter to Jon Snow from Ramsay Bolton (allegedly)).
Here's the text of said letter that Jon receives in ADwD before he gets a little stab action after proclaiming to ride to Winterfell.
The letter was addressed to the "Bastard" and sealed with pink wax (most commonly used by House Bolton). It was delivered by Clydas, stewart of the Night's Watch (who was clearly bothered by it before even opening it).
So, some thoughts and inquiries on this delightful bit of penmanship.
1) Do you think Ramsay Bolton was the one to write the letter? If not, why not?
2) Do you believe Stannis is dead? (Note: if I recall correctly Martin states that the chapter he read from TWoW actually occurs before the letter is sent, so I don't believe that can be used as confirmation).
3) Is an open declaration against the Night's Watch enough to warrant riding against the Bolton's? I know there's some discussion as to whether Jon legitimately breaks his vows by doing so. I'm not sure that he did.
Here's the text of said letter that Jon receives in ADwD before he gets a little stab action after proclaiming to ride to Winterfell.
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Your false king is dead bastard. He and all his host were smashed in seven days of battle. I have his magic sword. Tell his red whore.
Your false king's friends are dead. Their heads upon the walls of Winterfell. Come see them, bastard. Your false king lied, and so did you. You told the world you burned the King-Beyond-the-Wall. Instead you sent him to Winterfell to steal my bride from me.
I will have my bride back. If you want Mance Rayder back, come and get him. I have him in a cage for all the north to see, proof of your lies. The cage is cold, but I have made him a warm cloak from the skins of the six whores who came with him to Winterfell.
I want my bride back. I want the false king's queen. I want his daughter and his red witch. I want this wildling princess. I want his little prince, the wildling babe. And I want my Reek. Send them to me, bastard, and I will not trouble you or your black crows. Keep them from me, and I will cut out your bastard's heart and eat it.
Ramsay Bolton, Trueborn Lord of Winterfell.
The letter was addressed to the "Bastard" and sealed with pink wax (most commonly used by House Bolton). It was delivered by Clydas, stewart of the Night's Watch (who was clearly bothered by it before even opening it).
So, some thoughts and inquiries on this delightful bit of penmanship.
1) Do you think Ramsay Bolton was the one to write the letter? If not, why not?
2) Do you believe Stannis is dead? (Note: if I recall correctly Martin states that the chapter he read from TWoW actually occurs before the letter is sent, so I don't believe that can be used as confirmation).
3) Is an open declaration against the Night's Watch enough to warrant riding against the Bolton's? I know there's some discussion as to whether Jon legitimately breaks his vows by doing so. I'm not sure that he did.
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Posted on 8/23/12 at 3:57 pm to BluegrassBelle
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1) Do you think Ramsay Bolton was the one to write the letter? If not, why not?
F it I'm going crackpot. Mance wrote the letter in attempt to cause the type of chaos that ensued at the Wall. Everything from the surrender, to Wun Wun causing Stannis' troops to be on edge was a carefully calculated plan to set off a series of events that allowed the Wildlings to capture the Wall from the Westeros side.
2) Do you believe Stannis is dead? (Note: if I recall correctly Martin states that the chapter he read from TWoW actually occurs before the letter is sent, so I don't believe that can be used as confirmation).
No. He is although going to be very busy at Winterfell.
3) Is an open declaration against the Night's Watch enough to warrant riding against the Bolton's? I know there's some discussion as to whether Jon legitimately breaks his vows by doing so. I'm not sure that he did.
I think he was doing everything he could to take Jon away from the Wall. The Night's Watch is much weaker without it's Lord Commander and Mance knows to claim the Wall, he needs to divide the Night's Watch. Also stating Stannis was dead would likely bring all of Stannis' troops to south or scatter them completely. So the Wall would be there for the taking.
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Posted on 8/23/12 at 4:18 pm to Mr. Wayne
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F it I'm going crackpot. Mance wrote the letter in attempt to cause the type of chaos that ensued at the Wall. Everything from the surrender, to Wun Wun causing Stannis' troops to be on edge was a carefully calculated plan to set off a series of events that allowed the Wildlings to capture the Wall from the Westeros side.
I hadn't heard that spin yet (the bit about Mance trying to take Wall from the other side). Interesting.
I have multiple suspicions about who could've wrote the letter.
Stannis (in an effort to lure Jon away from the Wall as he initially intended), Mance (in an effort to have Jon come save his arse), or Ramsay himself (but most of the info is him calling bluff).
I don't believe Stannis is dead either. Mostly because I don't see GRRM killing him off page. If nothing else we'll get that downfall through a POV.
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I think he was doing everything he could to take Jon away from the Wall. The Night's Watch is much weaker without it's Lord Commander and Mance knows to claim the Wall, he needs to divide the Night's Watch. Also stating Stannis was dead would likely bring all of Stannis' troops to south or scatter them completely. So the Wall would be there for the taking.
As I said before, this is interesting to me and very plausible. I wonder if he feels threatened by Jon Snow because he does have a solid hold with the Wildlings.
My questions was more directed towards whether you think Jon was breaking his vow. Personally, an all out threat against the Night's Watch would warrant riding to defend them and not necessarily break vow.
Posted on 8/23/12 at 4:42 pm to BluegrassBelle
Did you stay up all night?
Crackpot: Melisandre wrote the letter. She could have several motives. 1) She might have been trying to get Jon away from the danger at the wall, 2) She may have been trying to get aid to Stannis, 3) A combination of the above.
Noncrackpot: Ramsay wrote the letter. But not for the reasons stated within. He knows Jon would not give into his demands. And he can't have Jon discover that his bride is not Arya. So he is trying to draw Jon into a position where Ramsay could strike him down.
I think Stannis is still alive. But I don't expect him to survive tWoW.
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1) Do you think Ramsay Bolton was the one to write the letter? If not, why not?
Crackpot: Melisandre wrote the letter. She could have several motives. 1) She might have been trying to get Jon away from the danger at the wall, 2) She may have been trying to get aid to Stannis, 3) A combination of the above.
Noncrackpot: Ramsay wrote the letter. But not for the reasons stated within. He knows Jon would not give into his demands. And he can't have Jon discover that his bride is not Arya. So he is trying to draw Jon into a position where Ramsay could strike him down.
I think Stannis is still alive. But I don't expect him to survive tWoW.
Posted on 8/23/12 at 4:44 pm to BluegrassBelle
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1) Do you think Ramsay Bolton was the one to write the letter? If not, why not?
Yes, only he could be so eloquent (and only he could want his reek.
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2) Do you believe Stannis is dead?
Probably, but it is not certain. It coul dbe a ruse but I do not see the point.
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3) Is an open declaration against the Night's Watch enough to warrant riding against the Bolton's? I know there's some discussion as to whether Jon legitimately breaks his vows by doing so. I'm not sure that he did.
well, this is a threat of an open declaration. John broke his vows. As LC he should have been held to the highest standards.
Posted on 8/23/12 at 4:53 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
I think Ramsay wrote it...Manderly came back with Stannis sword' and tales of his defeat as a plan for Ramsay and possibly Roose to leave Winterfell in search of 'Arya'.
Posted on 8/23/12 at 5:00 pm to jrodLSUke
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Did you stay up all night?
I only slept about 3-4 hours. I've been sick all week and am off work until Monday so I have a ton of time to kill. The med they have me on has insomnia as a side effect.
Posted on 8/23/12 at 5:07 pm to BluegrassBelle
You don't sleep. You don't eat. Did you go to Dr. R'hllor?
The Lord Commander has the right to defend the NW and decide the manner at which to defend it. Jon broke no vow here.
Now, when he sent Mance to rescue Arya...umm. And when he married off the Karstark girl....uuhhh. Maybe broke a vow or three then.
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3) Is an open declaration against the Night's Watch enough to warrant riding against the Bolton's?
The Lord Commander has the right to defend the NW and decide the manner at which to defend it. Jon broke no vow here.
Now, when he sent Mance to rescue Arya...umm. And when he married off the Karstark girl....uuhhh. Maybe broke a vow or three then.
Posted on 8/23/12 at 5:12 pm to jrodLSUke
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You don't sleep. You don't eat. Did you go to Dr. R'hllor?
I'm really just an Other. Lord knows I'm pale enough.
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The Lord Commander has the right to defend the NW and decide the manner at which to defend it. Jon broke no vow here.
That's what I thought as well. As for the others, I can agree with that too. That said, the vow leaves an awful lot up to interpretation with "the shield that guards the realms of men".
Posted on 8/23/12 at 5:44 pm to BluegrassBelle
Oh and I found this great wallpaper with most of the big houses on it. I'm going to resize it for the thread, but the actual link will contain the full sized wallpaper.
Posted on 8/23/12 at 7:32 pm to BluegrassBelle
Well where is the link at hooker?
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