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I understand the frustration on behalf of FSU. I hate it for them. If Travis was still playing, they are likely in, not Bama.

But, the injury came into play, and, when packaged with other factors, it does weigh them down below Bama. Yes, Bama struggled against Auburn. Same is said about FSU against Florida, Georgia against Ga Tech, and Washington vs WSU that same week. That is what happens in rivalry week.

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This is the type of false equivalence that makes honest discussion difficult. BAMA needing a miraculous muffed punt and an even more miraculous 4th and 31 hail Mary is more than FSU "struggling" with UF or any other team on their schedule. BAMA was beaten.... BEATEN. plain and simple. Miracles happen, but let's not pretend it is anything but what it is--miracle. They won (or Auburn lost, more exactly), but no one can take the victory away. We just need to stop pretending like this is "best 4 teams in the country" level of play.

There is no "what if" mentality in anything I've said. I simply said that FSU earned it on the field and they deserved what they earned. A team resilient enough to modify offensive gameplay and use a lights out defense to win should not be penalized because the committee and media are in love with their own echo chamber and love of the BAMA 'mystique'. There is a reason that BAMA is at the center of all the "unprecedented" discussions going all the way back to 2012. The ONLY reason they didn't get in last year over TCU was the fact that BAMA was a 2-loss team that didn't even win their own division (and the team they lost to [LSU] didn't ultimately win the the SEC--or we'd have had a much different discussion). The committee just couldn't justify it the way 2012 was justified.

I don't know why I feel so strongly about this. Guess it's my damned altruistic streak... But Florida State got hosed here. The ONLY question should have been Texas vs BAMA.... And what ESPN just did/is doing saddling Booger with 4 other commentators apologizing for BAMA is disgusting. This false narrative of "FSU isn't the same team...", Joey Galloway and Kirk and Greg McElroy with the "but look at how the teams have played over the last couple of weeks...."

Let's do that! Let's talk about a BAMA squad that should have been COOKED against a hapless Auburn team. A BAMA team that needed not 1, but TWO miracles to pull that one out.... A BAMA team that beat a Georgia team that was reportedly weakened, but also a UGA team that has trailed in 6 or 7 games this season. I remember a UGA squad that the national voters were reluctant to even place no. 1 because of how unimpressive they looked throughout.... But NOW that it supports the narrative it seems as if BAMA has just accomplished some herculean feat! According to the commentators, Milroe is playing at an "elite" level...really?? 190yds passing, 29yds rushing is "elite"? A 31-yard PRAYER against an unranked opponent (that LSU embarrassed, btw) in the last game of the season is elite now? (and please spare me the "rivalry" nonsense)

FSU IS deserving. More deserving than BAMA, and I'm heartbroken for those kids. I don't like FSU any more than I like BAMA. But, a Power 5, undefeated conference champion? This strawman argument of "The Best Four...." is laughable. BAMA hasn't magically proven to me that they are playing "elevated" football right now. To say they eeked out a win over Auburn is an understatement. Beating a hobbled UGA team after a missed UGA field goal? Yeah.... I don't think there's very much honesty in trying to characterize them as "one of the best 4" other than the idea that if you win the SEC, then you must be, by default?

Wow.... I can remember when his mom was pregnant with him (I was in one of her classes) and brought him back to show him off after he was born. Wow, that seems like yesterday sometimes.... Man-oh-man do I feel old right now!!.... LOL!

Congratulations to him. As all Tigers--Thibodaux (even though he went to EDW :cheers: ) and LSU, I wish him and his family nothing but the best. I hope he has a long and successful Pro career and beyond!

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The BCS championship game is intended to match "the number 1 team vs the number 2 team".

It aint rocket surgery to understand.

The "if you don't win you division/conference" argument is stupid. People who consistently repeat it are ignorant.

The ONLY time said argument is relevant is when you are comparing two teams in the same conference/division for one spot.

Period!

There are other valid arguments you can make, but the division/conference one aint it. I personally think if you're trying to compare 2-3 teams who are close for the second spot, that including the fact that Bama already lost on its home field to LSU is worthy of being considered.

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What?!?....

Well, part of my original point IS that Bama lost at home to the Tigers (which is why I mentioned OU in 2003 on a neutral field, and UF in 1996 at FSU). The second point I thought I was trying to make is that the Tigers and Bama are in the same division and that the Tigers (if they win out) play one more game than the tide (against strong competition, no less). To me, it seems unfair, if not altogether ridiculous, that Bama could get into the BCS Championship, having not had to run the gauntlet that a team--who BEAT them--from their own DIVISION has had to run. That's all.

As to [what you THINK my argument is] being 'stupid' or what 'People... consistently repeat', I don't post here enough for you to make ANY generalizations. 'Period!'



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So I’m coming out of ‘retirement’ to post here (LOL):

The echo chamber that the media has become is utterly ridiculous.

Now, I (as a fan) have no fear about a BAMA rematch. And I’m certain that our Tigers fear NO team. But all this talk of a rematch is borderline crazy talk… ‘Crazy’ may be a little too strong, but I think it’s nonsense. I have already grown tired of the oft-cited OU team of 2003. I know that OU didn’t win their conference, but they AT LEAST won their division and actually PLAYED for the conference title (on a neutral site, no less). And again, the 1996 UF squad that lost their final game of the season to Florida State (note: not only did they not lose to a team from their OWN DIVISION, but a team not even in their conference and on the road in a hostile environment!). UF proceeded to win—WIN—the conference by besting BAMA and earned their shot at a rematch.

It is unfortunate that BAMA and the Tigers are in the same division of the conference (and I’m not being cynical here) but ‘thems the breaks’. It is unfair to the Tigers who will need to win out, and then play in an additional game to earn their place in the BCS Championship. As it stands, our boys will HAVE to win out to make it to New Orleans. A loss, even in the SEC Championship, ends championship hopes. Now, a loss for us MAY end BAMA’s chances as well, but don’t hold your breath on that one with the Tide sitting pretty at the three spot in the BCS right now.

I guess I’ve just been watching a little too much TV being off today, but it just sounds like no one has original thoughts anymore. It’s just regurgitation and re-hash of the same tired talking points—it just becomes a contest as to who can shout the longest and loudest. There’s just no original thought out there (at least not one that seems to have traction against the ‘talking heads’, most of whom seem to be in lust with the invincible BAMA, the incomparable Trent Richardson, and the unmatched Nick Saban). They lost at HOME… The #1 defense and #1 offense in the SEC LOST at home. They scarcely moved the ball beyond LSU’s 30. Richardson gained less than 90 yards on 23 carries—gaining nearly half of that total on 2 runs. Oh well, this may all be moot if teams can take care of business, but I think it’s ridiculous all the same.

--My $0.02
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