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The main problem is Dem scum is guaranteed to file suit and be hung up in the courts, defeating the purpose in the first place. Perhaps the legal authority also provides for expedited court review?
Until it gets to the SCOTUS that will side with the President. You don't think President Trump knows the Dems will try to use the courts to block it. He knows how it will end.
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I will always wonder what would have happened if the south had voluntarily abandoned slavery and continued arguing the states rights issue.
I suspect they may have gained some support from northern states and things may have turned out much different, maybe the war itself may have been avoided.
We will never know now
Yep, if the south had voluntarily abandoned slavery but still wanted to secede I think it would've worked. Lincoln would've had a hard time convincing people in the north that the south should be held in the U.S. against its will.
Both sides would be getting more policies that they agree with right now and there would truly be a choice that Americans could make. The U.S. or the CSA. But at least people would have the choice.
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I can't say exactly what I would have done, but the civil war is an extremely embarrassing part of our history IMO. While I obviously side with the right of the confederacy to exist, It's obvious that both sides didn't do enough to prevent bloodshed in the process. Sad era of us history that followed that needless conflict.
It's embarrassing because it ended America and what it was supposed to be. A collection of states with a very small federal government working together.
I'm not saying I agree with slavery, I don't, I think it was a horrible institution, but I do believe in state's rights. And the fact is true state's rights died with the Civil War. If Lincoln had wanted to do what was right and avoid bloodshed he would've let the Confederacy exist as its own country. The U.S. would have still been a pretty big country and slavery would've ended at some point anyway. Slavery was already on its way out and with the industrial revolution I believe it would've been gone before the start of the 20th century.
While Lincoln might have won a war, we lost everything this country was originally intended to be.
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I think the America died that day in all the ways that truly matter.
Agreed. People can say what you want about that man, but if I had lived in that time period I would have truly been willing to die for him. Outside of an immediate family member there's no one today I would say that for.
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Wow. Sounds like you don’t have a lot of faith in America
I still believe in what America is supposed to stand for. But I have no faith in the people of America. I think what a lot of us are saying is that America as it was is gone and the liberals will never allow America to be what it was again, a moral country based on the constitution.
I don't see how America survives the coming onslaught from the left. I hope I'm wrong.
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America died in 1865 when the Tyrants won. It's over. Everyone is just feasting on the corpse.
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And America in many ways died on this battlefield, despite what others want to say. Part of me truly does believe I was born in the wrong time period. I was born about 150 years too late. What it would've been like to have lived when men were truly allowed to be men.
re: Country's gone. It's over.
Posted by TTIOT on 1/26/19 at 8:34 am to tigers win2
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We’re good until the baby’s boomers die off then we go over the cliff.
This is what I believe as well. Once the baby boomers are gone it will be a one party dictatorship here in the U.S. A mix of socialism and communism will happen.
That's why I say I have thought about leaving when my parents pass away. They are baby boomers and when they pass away that is probably when sh*t will start hitting the fan.
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The other side would take this action and not think twice about it in executing their miss guided vision for devaluing America. So, you advocating taking no action with the thought that doing so would somehow keep the other side from ever taking emergency action is simply wrong. We are in a bitter fight here. There is no decency in the left. The other side will stop at nothing to get what they want....that is what you are fighting against.
Yep and this is what Nguyener doesn't get. He's looking at this as simple politics, it isn't. We are fighting for our survival. We are fighting for the future of this country. In some ways we could be fighting for our very lives.
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There are so many things wrong with that analogy I don't even know where to begin
Since you are so much smarter than us simpletons why don't you begin then? Please tell us where we're wrong.
Again Nguyener you are trying to be civil with people who have absolutely decided not to be civil. Your method is the method that has gotten conservatism where it is today, on its death bed.
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Let me remind you, during the Revolutionary War, the British soldiers couldn't compete against the revolutionaries. Marching in formation, in their bright red coats, they were mowed down by the patriots hiding behind obstacles.
I'm sure as they continued to march in line, getting picked off, they kept repeating to themselves "this isn't fair, but at least we're fighting the right way."
They lost. That's the bottom line.
Exactly Smeg, great example. If we listen to this guy he wants Conservatives marching in formation just like the British while the Liberals are in the bushes picking us off one by one. At the end of the day this is about the future of this country, it's about winning or losing. We need to do what it takes to win and if that means getting in the weeds and picking the Liberals off one by one instead of standing in formation than lets do it.
So many Conservatives are still trying to be civil with Liberals when they have even admitted they have no desire to be civil. In many ways Liberals are using guerrilla warfare tactics and we need to use the same.
re: Country's gone. It's over.
Posted by TTIOT on 1/26/19 at 8:19 am to GeorgePaton
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I don't agree with this. So let me get this straight, you would assign responsibility for the defense of all the countries to one union....the North American Union? That's assigning a lot of responsibility to one entity.
With each paying an equal share. If a country doesn't agree than they are more than free to pay for their own defense.
I would say a NAU is necessary though, that way Mountain West America doesn't have enemies at its door step because West Coast America is a bunch of pacifists and surrendered the minutes enemy forces were in visual range.
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Yikes
Oh yeah because doing it your way the last 30 years has been so successful. Please tell me what about getting in the dirt with them and beating them at their own game is so wrong?
re: If Trump declares SOE on the wall and proceeds, what to the Dems cram into their CR
Posted by TTIOT on 1/26/19 at 8:14 am to CamdenTiger
There's no deal on DACA and TPS right now. Nancy Pelosi wants to play hardball, why aren't we starting the process of deporting the DACA and TPS people now?
I live in Florida, I've seen the TPS (specifically Haitians) at work. They are lazy, ungrateful, have an attitude that we need to adapt to them and turn the areas they live in into a 3rd world hellhole. It's amazing what's happened to some communities since Haitians took over. They aren't the victims the media portrays them to be.
Why are we waiting, deport the DACA and TPS people now.
I live in Florida, I've seen the TPS (specifically Haitians) at work. They are lazy, ungrateful, have an attitude that we need to adapt to them and turn the areas they live in into a 3rd world hellhole. It's amazing what's happened to some communities since Haitians took over. They aren't the victims the media portrays them to be.
Why are we waiting, deport the DACA and TPS people now.
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All of you blind lock step followers sicken me. You're literally no better than the dems who refused to criticize Obama. Stop sinking to the level of the left. Rise above that and be better.
Except we've tried that for 30 years and the Dems keep making more and more headway. Sometimes you just have to get in the dirt with them and beat them at their own game. Sometimes the ends really do justify the means.
re: Country's gone. It's over.
Posted by TTIOT on 1/26/19 at 8:03 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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To be fair, wealth redistribution is better than wealth concentration.
How about those who earn the wealth get to keep the wealth. Isn't that a novel idea?
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But where in the hell else could you go? The world is a train wreck that has been programmed to hate the success of American and its citizenry.
I don't think the whole world hates Americans like we are led to believe. Even if they aren't fond of us something tells me they wouldn't mind our money.
My first thought would either be back to my ancestor's homeland (Ireland) or to Eastern Europe. Specifically the Czeck Republic and Poland would be good options
Second idea would be to the Eastern Pacific. Japan, South Korea would be the top choices. Australia and New Zealand could be options as well.Of course Japan and South Korea I'd have to start learning their language now but I love the culture of both countries. I also love how they DGAF what other people think about them and their culture. Australia and New Zealand would both be easier to adapt to socially but I worry they are both going down the same path the U.S. is down.
re: Its state of emergency or 1 term
Posted by TTIOT on 1/26/19 at 7:55 am to GeauxxxTigers23
If Trump doesn't get the wall I'm not sure what I'll do. My guess is vote against him in the Primaries for failing to deliver on his promise. Immigration was my #1 issue. If Trump did win the Primary than I would vote for him but i have a feeling he would lose pretty easily.
It actually wouldn't shock me if he decides not to seek re-election and Pence is the candidate. That might actually be the best case scenario if Trump doesn't get the wall.
It actually wouldn't shock me if he decides not to seek re-election and Pence is the candidate. That might actually be the best case scenario if Trump doesn't get the wall.
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I like your idea, but I don’t think those other countries will survive once the Pax Americana is over.
Those other countries were around long before America was even a thought. The Eastern European countries would have to band together to protect what is theirs but I believe they could do it. Especially when they would have the wealth from a lot of conservative Americans coming in.
Japan would absolutely survive post America. Yes it would have to raise a standing Army again like before and we know North Korea and China will throw a complete hissy fit over that, but they have the ability to and they would.
South Korea would be the most dicey country to move to. Without America I have no doubt Kim Jong Un would love to try to invade South Korea. That's where Japanese and Koreans would have to put their differences aside to protect South Korea. Either that or South Korea, like Japan, raises it's own Army and there is a final war on the Korean peninsula.
re: Country's gone. It's over.
Posted by TTIOT on 1/26/19 at 7:43 am to GeorgePaton
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I agree. So maybe the solution is something along this line. We should contact our state legislators and demand a referendum on secession be included on the ballot on your next statewide election. I believe most people have come to the same conclusion I have....this country is so profoundly divided that we really need to consider breaking up the union.
Sadly it won't happen but I've looked at that as the best solution for awhile now. An agreement that the two sides are too fundamentally different at this point to keep the union in tact. An agreement that a peaceful secession and equal dispersement of the assets is the best long term solution.
Simply put, break the mainland U.S. up into about 5 different countries. The 5 countries would be the following:
- A Northeast U.S. country
- A Southern U.S. country
- A West Coast U.S. country
- A Midwest U.S. country
- A Mountain West/Great Plains U.S. country
Hawaii would go back to being its own nation and Alaska could become a part of Canada where it's truly always belonged.
Split the U.S. into 5 individual countries and then form a North American Union with those 5 U.S. countries and Canada. The North American Union would be responsible for defense with each country paying an equal share. The 5 U.S. countries could continue to use the U.S. Dollar as the primary currency. There could even be unlimited travel within the NAU like there is the EU. If that's too much than in the very least they could set it up where you would only need a Passport Card and not a full Passport to travel between the countries.
Other than that though each individual U.S. country would be free to set its own Economic and Social Policies.
There could even be a 2 year grace period where people could freely move with no penalty if they country they are in is not to their liking. This would also allow more liberal individuals in conservative countries to move to liberal countries and vice versa. This should be on every state ballot in 2020 and should be looked at as truly the best solution.
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Moving to another country to escape the Fall is not a viable option. The rest of the world has been living on Daddy’s credit card: that’s why they could sip coffee in Copenhagen during the Cold War. No defense spending needed. There is nothing after America.
Yeah but if America truly does go socialist/communist there has to be other options right? Some Eastern European countries seem like the best bet as they got to experience the destruction of communism first hand and don't want to go back to it.
I've also thought about going to some Asian countries as well, specifically Japan and South Korea. Both countries have a more collectivist mentality than the U.S. but they still believe in basic freedoms and have what is essentially a capitalist system.
re: How long until Herbivore Men, Incels and MGTOW take over the U.S.?
Posted by TTIOT on 1/26/19 at 7:30 am to RidiculousHype
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So you’re telling me there are no socially awkward women who lack confidence in themselves? You’re telling me that there are no women feeling just as defeated and lonely as you? No women out there who have a hard time socially and feel like they never know what to say? There are no women on this planet who are going through what you’ve gone through?
Complete and utter BS. You just aren’t looking. You think you are, but you’re not.
I don't doubt there are, but I still think it's harder as a man. As a man you are supposed to be strong, you aren't supposed to question yourself, you aren't suppose to show emotion or show any weakness. If you are a man and you show weakness you are going to be laughed at. Women who show weakness usually have a great support group.
In terms of dating specifically it's easier for a woman to be socially awkward. Women aren't expected to approach and carry a conversation. Men are expected to. So a socially awkward women, if she's even average, can just wait until a man initiates a conversation with her and then take it from there.
I'm not saying there aren't some women out there who have trouble being social and have also had a lack of success in relationships, but I still think it's harder for man. Am I being unreasonable in that assessment?
I agree with the other responses, if we don't get a wall then this country is over anyway. And President's have used "National Emergencies" before and we didn't become fascist.
At this point I'm willing to take the chance. It may be the only way to potentially save the country.
At this point I'm willing to take the chance. It may be the only way to potentially save the country.
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MGTOW is not the same as incel
No you're right they are not the same but they are like siblings. They is definitely a fair amount of overlap.
I agree, the big question is what do those of us who are conservative do about it? I'll be honest, the only thing really keeping me here in the U.S. is family. I'm not married, I don't have any children, not a big friend network. I own a small townhome and that's it.
My parents are in their 70s so most likely they will both be gone in the 15 - 20 years. Hopefully it's longer but being realistic. They probably leaves me in my early 50s. Not old enough to retire but still enough time (hopefully 30 years) to really establish myself in a new country.
Once both my parents pass away I truly do believe I'll leave the U.S. unless the country does a complete 180. I want to start preparing now but the question is where do you go?
My parents are in their 70s so most likely they will both be gone in the 15 - 20 years. Hopefully it's longer but being realistic. They probably leaves me in my early 50s. Not old enough to retire but still enough time (hopefully 30 years) to really establish myself in a new country.
Once both my parents pass away I truly do believe I'll leave the U.S. unless the country does a complete 180. I want to start preparing now but the question is where do you go?
re: How long until Herbivore Men, Incels and MGTOW take over the U.S.?
Posted by TTIOT on 1/26/19 at 4:50 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Those are good suggestions Bjorn. Unfortunately for me I think yesterday was when I hit rock bottom. I don't know why but talking about all this yesterday just caused me to have a true mental break. The whole thing makes me sad because Incels are where I identify, but unlike many of them I don't truly hate women.
I hate what some of them have done to me, but I don't have women. I'm definitely not one of the big Incel fanatics that wants to declare war on women, hurt women or even worse. I don't deny that there are some truly evil things said as part of the Incel community. I don't agree with them but it's kind of like a brotherhood. You try to stick by your brother even if do something really screwed up.
I actually went out for dinner last night and observed some people. What I realized is how lost I am. How I honestly have lost the ability to talk to people and really even relate to people. I feel very emotionless towards people and really don't feel much empathy. I think I've hated what women did to me for so long it's screwed up my emotions.
But what I am in the process of realizing is that what I really miss is connection as well as love. I've lived alone for so long now my body and mind are starting to truly suffer from isolation. At one point I bought a dakimakura body pillow because I thought that could replace a woman for me, but it doesn't work anymore.
I'm not even really that interested in sex. I want it yes but what I really want is camaraderie, friendship and even just some basic intimacy. Heck I would even take a hug or cuddling with a woman right now. I don't want to hurt women in any way, heck I would just like a woman who I can be myself around, who I can do fun activities with and heck who I could even just love and spoil.
What's sad is that I've learned to love sleeping. When I'm sleeping and dreaming that's actually when I feel the most alive. Imagining doing fun activities, being with friends who understand me, being in a loving relationship. It's when I see what life could be like and then reality slaps me right in the head when I wake up.
Sadly though it's too late for me to change. I've become completely anti-social and unable to truly relate to other people. They honestly feel like another species to me. What's funny is that I work in a job that requires me to interact with a lot of other employees as well as customers. Who knows, maybe I need to get one of those sex robots, maybe that would help, lol.
I hate what some of them have done to me, but I don't have women. I'm definitely not one of the big Incel fanatics that wants to declare war on women, hurt women or even worse. I don't deny that there are some truly evil things said as part of the Incel community. I don't agree with them but it's kind of like a brotherhood. You try to stick by your brother even if do something really screwed up.
I actually went out for dinner last night and observed some people. What I realized is how lost I am. How I honestly have lost the ability to talk to people and really even relate to people. I feel very emotionless towards people and really don't feel much empathy. I think I've hated what women did to me for so long it's screwed up my emotions.
But what I am in the process of realizing is that what I really miss is connection as well as love. I've lived alone for so long now my body and mind are starting to truly suffer from isolation. At one point I bought a dakimakura body pillow because I thought that could replace a woman for me, but it doesn't work anymore.
I'm not even really that interested in sex. I want it yes but what I really want is camaraderie, friendship and even just some basic intimacy. Heck I would even take a hug or cuddling with a woman right now. I don't want to hurt women in any way, heck I would just like a woman who I can be myself around, who I can do fun activities with and heck who I could even just love and spoil.
What's sad is that I've learned to love sleeping. When I'm sleeping and dreaming that's actually when I feel the most alive. Imagining doing fun activities, being with friends who understand me, being in a loving relationship. It's when I see what life could be like and then reality slaps me right in the head when I wake up.
Sadly though it's too late for me to change. I've become completely anti-social and unable to truly relate to other people. They honestly feel like another species to me. What's funny is that I work in a job that requires me to interact with a lot of other employees as well as customers. Who knows, maybe I need to get one of those sex robots, maybe that would help, lol.
re: Ocasio-Cortez voted against House Democratic bills to reopen govt
Posted by TTIOT on 1/26/19 at 4:12 am to tenderfoot tigah
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She is nuts. She wants anyone and anything to enter the country at will? Is she ignorant to world terrorism?
She doesn't care. She doesn't believe the U.S. should really even exist, that we should be some sort of UN zone, devoid of language, history, culture or moral compass. And sadly she might win, without borders does the U.S. really even exist?
For all we know she could be working for terrorist or other radical groups.
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No. It's not easy but it can be changed.
Try wearing something out and about that doesn't match at all. Look around for people that notice and you feel are making fun of you silently.
Give no fricks and laugh about it. You have to be able to laugh at yourself.
Once you give no fricks about how people see you then you can appreciate yourself.
If you can't do that you'll always be on defense. Girls don't like that. They like confidence. That's your goal.
Even if you never meet the right girl you'll be happier because you are confident.
Oh trust me roadGator, in that sense you are right, I don't care what other people think. There are many times I'll go out in workout shorts or even just sweatpants and some ratty t-shirt. I'm sure many people look at me weirdly but I'll have to try to notice it.
You are right though, years of rejection and not being able to connect with people has probably made me pretty defensive. In many ways I guess it's just become a protective mechanism over the years and I've never truly realized it.
In some ways I'll probably guilty of pushing people away before I even give them the chance to hurt me.
tigerband I looked up the Bachelor person you referenced. Colton Underwood right?
Are you kidding me. The guy is a complete Chad, he's a freaking former NFL football player. Never mind he is in his 20s so it's okay for him to still be a virgin.
I'm sorry but terrible example. Colton is a virgin because he chooses to be a virgin. He is a complete VolCel (Voluntary Celibate). That guy could have all the p*ssy he wants if he truly wanted to.
Are you kidding me. The guy is a complete Chad, he's a freaking former NFL football player. Never mind he is in his 20s so it's okay for him to still be a virgin.
I'm sorry but terrible example. Colton is a virgin because he chooses to be a virgin. He is a complete VolCel (Voluntary Celibate). That guy could have all the p*ssy he wants if he truly wanted to.
re: How long until Herbivore Men, Incels and MGTOW take over the U.S.?
Posted by TTIOT on 1/25/19 at 8:17 am to tigerband6971
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But but, the latest "Bachelor" is a virgin and all the women on that show are all cat fighting to be the one to take his virginity..
How old is the guy? Is he religious? At least religious people can just say they are "saving themselves" for marriage. If he is in his 20s women are okay with him still being a virgin.
Being a virgin in your 20s is still considered okay. Being a virgin in your 30s is just downright considered being a loser.
Plus if he's on the Bachelor doesn't that mean he's pretty much filthy rich? I'm guessing the women on there are fighting for his money as much as they are fighting for him. Considering the success rate of the Bachelor I don't think it's a good example.
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There's your problem. You still give a damn about the opinion of shitty people.
You think I care about FT's opinoon? He's a shitty person.
If someone gives You hell about being a virgin they did you a favor. Do you not see that?
You tell them that you are disappointed that they are shitty and you move on.
That which doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
What line of work are you in?
I understand what you are trying to say. Basically that if they care about the virginity part that they aren't worth my time anyway and that they are doing me a favor before it would go any further.
The thing is though what if that woman is otherwise physically attractive? What if it's the one woman who's physically attractive that I could have a chance with. My problem is if I (and this is the case for many Incels as well) were to actually try to get back into the dating scene IRL then we'd probably fall for the first good looking woman who gives me the time of day. Probably even if she otherwise treated me like cr*p. It's sad but I don't deny it.
You're right, I probably do care too much about what others think about me. But that's not exactly easy for me to just "turn off".
roadGator even if I wanted to try again, or other Incels in their 30s wanted to try again, what do you think will happen when our virginity is exposed? Women will laugh at us just like they did back in high school and college. It'll be the same cycle all over again, embarrassment and humiliation for Incels.
That's why so many Incels stick together, to help each other rebuilt our self esteem and self worth that was destroyed by women. To give each other the positive reinforcement that many have never experienced.
That's why so many Incels stick together, to help each other rebuilt our self esteem and self worth that was destroyed by women. To give each other the positive reinforcement that many have never experienced.
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