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re: Instate Recruiting Can Get Jonny Jones to Final Four
Posted by LSUQ on 4/19/12 at 1:02 am to Bubba Hotep
Deshaun Thomas and William Buford where both top 25 players. Ohio State had four McDonald's All-Americans (including one that rarely saw the floor,Louisville had three former McDonald's All-Americans on this year's team while Kentucky had 6.
While the tournament allows your occasional VCU or Butler, consistent success in college basketball generally involves developing the talent of players that stay (Kansas this year was an example of that) combined with fully utilizing the talent of players likely to leave early (imagine this year's Kansas squad with Josh Shelby).
There's a reason every national champion since 1979 has had at least one McDonald's All-American (only 6 have had just one). Perhaps even more interesting is that the Maryland squad that didn't have one at the time they won it all had one the previous year. . .he was sitting out as a transfer that year (Danny Miller).
While the tournament allows your occasional VCU or Butler, consistent success in college basketball generally involves developing the talent of players that stay (Kansas this year was an example of that) combined with fully utilizing the talent of players likely to leave early (imagine this year's Kansas squad with Josh Shelby).
There's a reason every national champion since 1979 has had at least one McDonald's All-American (only 6 have had just one). Perhaps even more interesting is that the Maryland squad that didn't have one at the time they won it all had one the previous year. . .he was sitting out as a transfer that year (Danny Miller).
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re: My problem with college basketball
Posted by LSUQ on 4/8/12 at 12:39 pm to LSU GrandDad
Sounds like big time gymnastics and tennis. . .except for the go to college part.
He's also not an engineering major. . .but even if he was that wouldn't necessarily prepare him for a test like the Wonderlic.
re: Shaq Diesel Doesn't Get How he only has one MVP
Posted by LSUQ on 2/28/12 at 8:22 am to therick711
Career 53% free throw shooter. His being out there still made him a liability.
The other problem Shaq always had is a lack of contemporaries. By the time he was considered completely dominant (as defined by being first team All-NBA), he was competing against Ben Wallace, an aging David Robinson, Mutombo, and Jermaine O'Neil.
Wallace is a great story but one dimensional (and beat Shaq in a Finals match up), Mutombo was the definition of one dimensional and never a great match up for Shaq, Robinson was legit, and I was shocked to see how often Jermaine was All-NBA.
I think who you play against has some impact on how "great" a player is considered. . .particularly someone with so many physical gifts.
Part of Jordan's greatness is that he can list Ewing, Drexler, Stockton, Malone, Barkley, and Magic as contemporaries that he beat on his way to championships.
Jason Collins/Kenyon Martin, Mutombo, and Rik Smits don't evoke as much awe.
The other problem Shaq always had is a lack of contemporaries. By the time he was considered completely dominant (as defined by being first team All-NBA), he was competing against Ben Wallace, an aging David Robinson, Mutombo, and Jermaine O'Neil.
Wallace is a great story but one dimensional (and beat Shaq in a Finals match up), Mutombo was the definition of one dimensional and never a great match up for Shaq, Robinson was legit, and I was shocked to see how often Jermaine was All-NBA.
I think who you play against has some impact on how "great" a player is considered. . .particularly someone with so many physical gifts.
Part of Jordan's greatness is that he can list Ewing, Drexler, Stockton, Malone, Barkley, and Magic as contemporaries that he beat on his way to championships.
Jason Collins/Kenyon Martin, Mutombo, and Rik Smits don't evoke as much awe.
As the designated "dummy" in the discussion, I hope I can try to more clearly articulate my view of the "Lin situation" without embarrassing myself or my family.
It is hard for me to go straight "racism" here regardless of what opinion Magic, Legler, and any other talking heads hold.
And maybe I need it defined for me.
When I think about the Ivy League, I think about players getting a great education but not playing future NBA players nearly every night. Consider that four Harvard (a "pretty old" school) players have made it to the league. Lin is the first Ivy League player in the NBA since 2003 (and that guy was undrafted). And as great as his game against UConn was someone is all-Ivy League every year. From a historical standpoint being so doesn't equate to NBA success.
And yet, two years post-graduation, we all have the pleasure of seeing Lin live the dream and grow as a player. I can think of some racial, gender, and sexual orientation groups that would have loved that type of steady, short time frame progress with regards to equality.
Now, would it have been ideal for Lin to sit in the green room and hear his name called? I am sure he and his family would have loved the experience. But, to reduce his story to some low common denominator thinking (and call those that disagree with you dumb) is an insult to the work Lin has done. . .work that we are all able to enjoy because the opportunities given to him by the imperfect but fairly meritocratic system that is the NBA and NBA developmental league.
It is hard for me to go straight "racism" here regardless of what opinion Magic, Legler, and any other talking heads hold.
And maybe I need it defined for me.
When I think about the Ivy League, I think about players getting a great education but not playing future NBA players nearly every night. Consider that four Harvard (a "pretty old" school) players have made it to the league. Lin is the first Ivy League player in the NBA since 2003 (and that guy was undrafted). And as great as his game against UConn was someone is all-Ivy League every year. From a historical standpoint being so doesn't equate to NBA success.
And yet, two years post-graduation, we all have the pleasure of seeing Lin live the dream and grow as a player. I can think of some racial, gender, and sexual orientation groups that would have loved that type of steady, short time frame progress with regards to equality.
Now, would it have been ideal for Lin to sit in the green room and hear his name called? I am sure he and his family would have loved the experience. But, to reduce his story to some low common denominator thinking (and call those that disagree with you dumb) is an insult to the work Lin has done. . .work that we are all able to enjoy because the opportunities given to him by the imperfect but fairly meritocratic system that is the NBA and NBA developmental league.
You'll forgive me if I choose to think for myself and not parrot news coverage. . .in spite of my closed eyes and mind.
It just seems to me the statement "how close this NBA player went to being totally unnoticed" indicates that the system works. Trent plus 300 other scholarship granting institutions missed him, scouting services missed him, and yet instead of having to make a career in the D league or oversees, as many have done with much better college pedigrees, he took the opportunities given to him and made the best of them.
So even if his ethnicity was a hindrance (and I'll ignore the fact that the first non-caucasian NBA player was Japanese American, I can acknowledge that you are perhaps commenting on a more recent trend), the system allowed him to overcome it. No marches, no change in legislation, just a guy, his game, and a ball.
It just seems to me the statement "how close this NBA player went to being totally unnoticed" indicates that the system works. Trent plus 300 other scholarship granting institutions missed him, scouting services missed him, and yet instead of having to make a career in the D league or oversees, as many have done with much better college pedigrees, he took the opportunities given to him and made the best of them.
So even if his ethnicity was a hindrance (and I'll ignore the fact that the first non-caucasian NBA player was Japanese American, I can acknowledge that you are perhaps commenting on a more recent trend), the system allowed him to overcome it. No marches, no change in legislation, just a guy, his game, and a ball.
I've already given you an example of an undrafted black player that people obviously missed on, Ben Wallace. So whether you think it would happen or not is irrelevant, history shows that it has happened.
Beyond that, what seems to be missing here is that ultimately the system worked. Unrecruited, undrafted and Lin was still able to earn his way to NBA starter. That's the story here.
Beyond that, what seems to be missing here is that ultimately the system worked. Unrecruited, undrafted and Lin was still able to earn his way to NBA starter. That's the story here.
Hasheem Thabeet wished the world you describe was real.
re: Trent Johnson on Jeremy Lin
Posted by LSUQ on 2/20/12 at 1:56 am to LSUpsychWARD
If NBA teams were just looking for the "next black dude" then Carmelo Anthony would be a Detroit Piston and former NBA champion right now.
re: Trent Johnson on Jeremy Lin
Posted by LSUQ on 2/18/12 at 12:19 am to LSUpsychWARD
While the list isn't long finding similar situations in basketball isn't hard. Bubba's example of Stephen Curry should not be glossed over. Curry's skill set and early success in college indicate that he warranted higher consideration than three offers.
The list must also include an undersized center that went on to be a four time defensive player of the year named Ben Wallace, who only played Division II ball due to a recommendation by Charles Oakley.
Now granted, Lin did want Stanford. And while hindsight is 20/20, most schools would choose (did choose) the way Stanford did: they chose a 6-4, 200 lb. point with the pedigree of playing at a high level in Chicago over a guard who a Harvard assistant felt was a Division III player until further evaluation. The lesson for Lin is that understanding some things take more nuanced analysis (perhaps something more than "they're lookn at the black athletes dude". . .just check the number of foreign born players drafted early in the 1st round over the last few years as NBA teams try to find the next Dirk or Pau. What most scouts look for is something they have seen before. . .that's usually the big, strong, and fast).
What makes these discussions veiled as critiques of Trent's recruiting confusing to me is has anyone looked at his 2006 (Lin's year) Stanford class? It only had three NBA starters in it.
The list must also include an undersized center that went on to be a four time defensive player of the year named Ben Wallace, who only played Division II ball due to a recommendation by Charles Oakley.
Now granted, Lin did want Stanford. And while hindsight is 20/20, most schools would choose (did choose) the way Stanford did: they chose a 6-4, 200 lb. point with the pedigree of playing at a high level in Chicago over a guard who a Harvard assistant felt was a Division III player until further evaluation. The lesson for Lin is that understanding some things take more nuanced analysis (perhaps something more than "they're lookn at the black athletes dude". . .just check the number of foreign born players drafted early in the 1st round over the last few years as NBA teams try to find the next Dirk or Pau. What most scouts look for is something they have seen before. . .that's usually the big, strong, and fast).
What makes these discussions veiled as critiques of Trent's recruiting confusing to me is has anyone looked at his 2006 (Lin's year) Stanford class? It only had three NBA starters in it.
re: Jeremy Johnson QB
Posted by LSUQ on 2/15/12 at 3:12 pm to Captain Crown
I am amazed at how comfortable we have become at saying things like this. Why wouldn't you want to have someone that can do both (run and throw). Threat implies that both must be viable options.
And if you name Brady, Brees, and the Mannings keep in mind that there is a reason we know their names, all of them could play into their forties and be kept on a roster somewhere, and have coaches who wish wouldn't pass up the option of them being more mobile for fear of the label dual-threat.
And if you name Brady, Brees, and the Mannings keep in mind that there is a reason we know their names, all of them could play into their forties and be kept on a roster somewhere, and have coaches who wish wouldn't pass up the option of them being more mobile for fear of the label dual-threat.
Pump the breaks. . .Why can't we just enjoy watching someone get the payoff from putting the time and effort in? Some people take the long way to the league.
Signed,
Ben Wallace
The fact that both of these guys ended up sticking in the league shows that while the system isn't perfect. . .it works.
Let's quit setting up Lin for failure and listen to what he says after each game: he's working hard, learning, and trying to be a part of his team. If the Knicks found the next MJ, Kobe, Shaq, or Lebron it will take more than six games to decide that.
Signed,
Ben Wallace
The fact that both of these guys ended up sticking in the league shows that while the system isn't perfect. . .it works.
Let's quit setting up Lin for failure and listen to what he says after each game: he's working hard, learning, and trying to be a part of his team. If the Knicks found the next MJ, Kobe, Shaq, or Lebron it will take more than six games to decide that.
re: What's the deal with La'l Collins for next season?
Posted by LSUQ on 1/14/12 at 9:44 pm to Broken Arrow
Read carefully.
Dual threat versus Drop back is a false distinction.
If a player is a true dual threat then of course you want that. Who says I only want a player that does only one aspect of his position well.
Aaron Rogers is one of the most accurate quarterbacks we have seen in a while. . .but what makes him other-wordly is his ability to extend when the play breaks down. Tom Brady has been incredible for the Pats. . .but you don't think they wish he had wheels against the Giants in the Super Bowl a few years back?
This thread seems to imply that we had the choice the last few years between a true dual threat and a drop back passer. That is not correct.
Also, it is easier to find a game-manager (which is just another way of saying average) than a true dual-threat.
The beauty of the game-manager is that when their teams win they get overrated because their mistakes weren't costly (See M. Mauck national championship game or G. McElroy national championship game)
If a player is a true dual threat then of course you want that. Who says I only want a player that does only one aspect of his position well.
Aaron Rogers is one of the most accurate quarterbacks we have seen in a while. . .but what makes him other-wordly is his ability to extend when the play breaks down. Tom Brady has been incredible for the Pats. . .but you don't think they wish he had wheels against the Giants in the Super Bowl a few years back?
This thread seems to imply that we had the choice the last few years between a true dual threat and a drop back passer. That is not correct.
Also, it is easier to find a game-manager (which is just another way of saying average) than a true dual-threat.
The beauty of the game-manager is that when their teams win they get overrated because their mistakes weren't costly (See M. Mauck national championship game or G. McElroy national championship game)
re: The nation knows LSU's best years are in front of them
Posted by LSUQ on 1/10/12 at 11:57 pm to Cap Crunch
My thoughts go to Bama vs. Utah four years ago.
https://blog.al.com/bamabeat/2009/01/we_werent_ready_for_them.html
Time will tell what the legacy of this game is.
https://blog.al.com/bamabeat/2009/01/we_werent_ready_for_them.html
Time will tell what the legacy of this game is.
re: Loston
Posted by LSUQ on 1/6/12 at 1:14 am to Keys Open Doors
You need to check the film on Loston again. . .he wasn't just a head hunter in high school. Check his interception in the Under Armour game.
If he ever puts it all together. . .
If he ever puts it all together. . .
While it is debatable whether coaching LSU is Ryan's ultimate goal. . .
Stating he wants to be the first black coach is not the same as stating he wants to be coach because he is black. . .but not false indignation regarding the completely merit-based system that is college coaching.
Stating he wants to be the first black coach is not the same as stating he wants to be coach because he is black. . .but not false indignation regarding the completely merit-based system that is college coaching.
re: Ryan Clark eventually wants to be the head coach at LSU
Posted by LSUQ on 12/28/11 at 6:33 pm to CrocsWithSocks
Hilarious!!!
A guy like Ryan will have the opportunity to work as a GA when he retires or join an NFL staff. As someone mentioned, he has turned himself into a a consistent performer on one of the most demanding defenses in the league. He gets to sit in meetings with one of the best defensive coaches in the history of the game. He is under the leadership of one of the best young coaches in the league.
If he's truly interested in coaching. . .he is in a great position to prep himself now.
A guy like Ryan will have the opportunity to work as a GA when he retires or join an NFL staff. As someone mentioned, he has turned himself into a a consistent performer on one of the most demanding defenses in the league. He gets to sit in meetings with one of the best defensive coaches in the history of the game. He is under the leadership of one of the best young coaches in the league.
If he's truly interested in coaching. . .he is in a great position to prep himself now.
I think "most impressive path" is a better debate. We live in an era where we throw out the moniker "best" far too easily and quickly.
Beyond that, I think Tommie Frazier is the forgotten superman of college football. That offense was incredible. . .talk about an offense that says "stop us, you know what we are going to do".
Beyond that, I think Tommie Frazier is the forgotten superman of college football. That offense was incredible. . .talk about an offense that says "stop us, you know what we are going to do".
re: LSU = DBU
Posted by LSUQ on 11/6/11 at 6:16 pm to ready4something
Mathieu's hype is based on the amount of plays he makes as the nickle. He has been amazingly productive for what he is.
I agree that Jenkins is a nice candidate for next man up.
I agree that Jenkins is a nice candidate for next man up.
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