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I've heard a lot of negative things about the current administration, mostly from former TB members. I'm not sure why the current directors would want less brass in a marching band. TGBFTL is still a very good band, but they used to be the best band in the SEC, hands down. Now, I'd probably rank them behind Auburn, Georgia, and Tennessee.


What have these people done that's so bad? Their shows are entertaining and students seem happy. Hell, they just marched in Zulu and probably were paid. Numbers may be off kilter between sections, but that's par for the course for any new administration. Previous administration seems to have done way more questionable things than the current one, IMO.
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During that administration, the band had 325


The band has 325. Just not 325 in Zulu. To your way of thinking, it should be good that the band students were not required to march in the parade, since it would have been forcing them to participate in what you view to be a 'racist' activity.

I agree--I doubt the band is turning away as many these days, and reverting to more brass vs non-brass instruments would be good. But these things alone aren't really good reasons to continually bash the current administration. Think of all of the good things that are currently happening with the band--perhaps this offsets the bad.
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Not anymore.....the school of music (dean & Damon) make ALL of the decisions. Alleva just writes a check.

You're saying Athletics would just say "hey, we think it would be great to pay for the entire band of 325+ to go to BFE for a football game." Buses, hotel, meals, you name it. That they have no say in this?

After an investigation involving Tiger Band $ followed by a very public lawsuit against F King Alexander, the School of Music and LSU HR alleging misuse of funds by the SOM....after that, Athletics just says "let's give the School of Music absolute control of Tiger Band and they can decide everything." No way they will just turn their backs to how $ is being spent. Roy King's lawsuit ensured that they will always have oversight of their money. Your assertions are nuts. :lol:
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I disagree because there was an article in Halftime magazine recently about how enrollment in college bands across the US is booming. Everywhere but LSU. Sad.


I know this post has referenced issues with prospective band members...hashed and rehashed. And yes, also hashed and rehashed the numbers in different sections impacting the overall sound (fwiw I agree with those who suggest that the sound quality is JUST FINE and they sound fantastic, though I would like more tubas for deeper sound). In terms of the numbers, leave the "enrollment" numbers alone, because the band is back up to almost 325. So its enrollment numbers are just fine. You may dislike the instrumentation distribution but stop talking about the overall number, because it's back up to just about normal. Also fwiw I understand that they even cut prospectives to keep the quality intact. Read that again. Prospectives were cut.
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Let's see.....no more GG features, No more full band trips during the regular season (unless they happen to be in a kick-off classic), not the "envy" of the SEC because of quality, instrumentation, etc, etc, etc, etc.


I've seen you just recently reference the band not going on full band trips in and around the whole Alleva sideline safety thing.....that it was Athletics that was responsible for all of this. We all know that Athletics foots this expensive bill and ultimately they decide whether the whole band goes to games or not....School of Music would not be the ultimate decision makers of this.
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Yes! Frank drew folks from near and far. BTW, those out of state tuition waivers went away in 2009 (for the 2010 school year).


Wickes is a legend and built an amazing program with great help from others like King and Moorehouse. If the tuition waivers went away starting in the 2010 school year then it definitely helps to further explain reduced numbers of prospective students in the recent years.
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According to members of the color guard, this (winter guard) is one of the reasons their numbers have declined.


That could be one of the more crazy things you've said. Winter Guard is typically an optional activity from what I know of it (which is admittedly not a lot). So why would this drive prospective Color Guard members away? Come on. Seriously.
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That said, I don't doubt that the current band administration is trying to phase both them and the colorguard out. That was one of the issues at hand when control of Tiger Band was removed from the athletic department and placed under the School of Music. Roy KIng asserted that is was a money grab to get the stipends usually awarded to the auxiliary groups.


It might have been King's assertion, but it has not come to pass yet and will never happen. That would be career suicide.
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Frank Wickes was a great recruiter. He got a lot of great players out of Florida and the D.C. area that would have never come to LSU.


Absolutely. With Wickes' reputation I'm quite sure that students would come from anywhere. Out of state tuition waivers in place back in the day probably helped things also.
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I think most of the current band members (And SEC football fans) would enjoy a friendly competition against the other SEC bands)


I agree. This would be very cool and band students would likely enjoy it. Colorguard loves Winter Guard so band members probably would like some competition as well.
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I asked that question for a reason. Much of the criticism of Coach O is that he does not have an adequate resume to qualify for the LSU job. The same applies to Dennis and Damon. Damon was a band director at a school with no football and Dennis was a band director at a high school with 20 kids in the band. This is why I'm more than queezy about their leadership.


I am not sure about Llinas. You are partially correct about Talley, that he was band director at a school with no football right before he came to LSU. However, right before that he was on the faculty at the Univ of Texas as assistant director of the Longhorn Band ....and before that he was on the faculty at Univ of Michigan as assistant director of the Michigan Marching Band. Just how many different major college marching bands does the dude have to be one of the directors of to qualify as knowing something about marching band?? Do tell. :rolleyes:
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that Tiger Band is now totally under the control of the School of Music.


Tiger Band was never not officially under the School of Music. I can't speak for the very distant past (say before the mid 1980's), but for many many years it has always been under SOM. When Wickes was the director and after that when Roy King was Tiger Band director, it was certainly under SOM and not athletics. Maybe people *wanted* it to be under Athletics...and were/still are unhappy that this never came to pass.
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Huffington Post Top 10 in the country, Rated as the top band in the SEC BY THE BAND DIRECTORS IN THE SEC, Sudler Award, etc. Once again....what has the current regime received?


Over and over, the same thing from Irish. It's like groundhog day with you.

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how did LSU receive the Sudler (from the Sudler Foundation web site) "The Sudler Trophy will be awarded biannually to a college or university marching band which has demonstrated the highest of musical standards and innovative marching routines and ideas, and which has made important contributions to the advancement of the performance standards of college marching bands over a number of years."


If you were to copy/paste a bit more than you did, it would be clear that this can be awarded ONCE to any college band (as other responders have already mentioned more than once). Also, more copying/pasting would make clear that "any committee member or band director may submit up to three bands for consideration." So initially, any Tom, Dick or Harry band director can submit up to three bands for consideration. :rolleyes:

Furthermore, the Sudler award started in 1982. One might wonder why it took so long for LSU to win the award? According to your line of thinking, a "regime" change (as you like to call it) should IMMEDIATELY result in more accolades than the wildest imagination can conjure up. Then why did it originally take a full 20 years for TGBFTL to win it?

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Also, what has Dennis ever done? What has Damon ever done? These two are clueless. So much so they don't even realize how bad it is.


Give them some time. Surely they can win *something* within 20 years!

Roy King update?

Posted by tigerbandlover on 9/4/18 at 12:39 pm
Any one heard what's going on with former LSU band director Roy King over in Florida? Is he still on the hot seat or did it turn out to be nothing? Seems like a decent guy. Innocent until proven guilty probably the best way to look at it.
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Like the new Bad guy so far


I guess it's good to be bad!
I don't think that's unexpected bc they have a different style of band with like 500 members, vs ours being set no larger than 325ish. It's down a little this year but only to 305 as I understand it. It won't be hard to get back up 20 more members next year with shows like last weekend's.
With all of the unkind posts going around about the band, everyone will be happy to know that they lifted lots of spirits last weekend with their halftime show. Link to vid below...and on FB it's been viewed about 450,000 times. WTG band!!

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Exactly...what were they doing on campus at that time from 8:00 am until 10:30 pm???



It was you who just threw a freaking hissy pants fit bc the band did not go to play for an on campus shelter during their full day practice session. SO WHICH IS IT, SHOULD THEY BE ON CAMPUS OR NOT BE ON CAMPUS? Good Lord almighty. You complain just to complain and contradict yourself all over the place.

BTW I understand that the band missed several days of practice because the university was closed. I'm sure you will just say that this is a lie, though.

You are loco.
So what would make you happy, Irish? I get that this is a rant board, but it seems like every body but you wants to see the band be successful and good. If they actually do something that in your opinion is decent, will you say anything then??? I have a feeling I know that answer.
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He's wrong.....Why would anyone listen to him? He's never been in charge of a college marching band, EVER (until now). He's clueless.



I don't get it. Wasn't Talley was hired 2 years ago as the Director of bands, the same position he currently has? Then how has he never been in charge of a college marching band until now if he was hired 2 years ago? That doesn't make any sense.