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Istanbul and Turkey: A Primer
Posted on 5/22/22 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 5/22/22 at 9:47 pm
I'll start this off, and happy to answer any questions. This will be more of a primer with less details. So if you want specific restaurant recommendations, just ask.
(Photos are not mine; I'm not someone who takes many photos, apologies)
Let me preface this by saying that Turkey is an incredibly safe country, and the Turks are very kind people. That being said, many annoying Arabs live there these days and you can tell who they are.
Brief History:
Greek City States were conquered by Rome and were Roman from 275 BC until 1453 AD. First part of a unified Rome, then the Eastern Roman Empire. For over 1800 years, this Empire reigned (with ups and downs)
Early Christianity was truly formed in Anatolia (Asian Turkey), and is home to much of its early history.
When Constantine the Great moved the Roman capital from Rome to Constantinople (fmr Byzantium) in 330, is the beginning of the "Byzantine Empire". However, the Byzantines never called themselves such, they always called themselves Romans. "Byzantine Empire" is simply a modern scholarly way of differentiating the two epochs of Ancient/Classical Rome and Rome of the Middle Ages in the East.
In the mid-11th century, the Turks arrived. They began conquering, and finally took Constantinople in 1453
From 1453-1913, ethnic Greeks dominated European Ottoman lands, and Western Anatolia. Everything you see there is made by Greek-Ottoman subjects
As the Ottoman Empire was failing, they had a policy of Genocide for the local Greeks and Armenians and Assyrians (all Christians and roughly 40% of the population of what would be modern Turkey)
Turkey is a relatively new country. Founded in 1923 after they won control from the Ottomans, then a fight with the local ethnic Greeks and the Kingdom of Greece.
Once they had their Independence, the new secular government under Ataturk moved Turkey closer to Europe by separating Religion and the State. They also abolished the use of Arabic script and replaced it with a Latin Script
Food:
The food is absolutely amazing. Imagine the best of Mediterranean food (Greek/Lebanese) with a rustic quality added to it, and then the fact that it sat on the Silk Road. Flavors are off the charts.
Doner Kebab
Kokorec
Iskendar Kebab
Islak Burger (patty is actually kebab meat, and it is steamed in a red pepper-tomato sauce)
Fish Sandwich
Mezze (small dips and salads)
Pide
Baklava:
Turkish Delight
(Photos are not mine; I'm not someone who takes many photos, apologies)
Let me preface this by saying that Turkey is an incredibly safe country, and the Turks are very kind people. That being said, many annoying Arabs live there these days and you can tell who they are.
Brief History:
Greek City States were conquered by Rome and were Roman from 275 BC until 1453 AD. First part of a unified Rome, then the Eastern Roman Empire. For over 1800 years, this Empire reigned (with ups and downs)
Early Christianity was truly formed in Anatolia (Asian Turkey), and is home to much of its early history.
When Constantine the Great moved the Roman capital from Rome to Constantinople (fmr Byzantium) in 330, is the beginning of the "Byzantine Empire". However, the Byzantines never called themselves such, they always called themselves Romans. "Byzantine Empire" is simply a modern scholarly way of differentiating the two epochs of Ancient/Classical Rome and Rome of the Middle Ages in the East.
In the mid-11th century, the Turks arrived. They began conquering, and finally took Constantinople in 1453
From 1453-1913, ethnic Greeks dominated European Ottoman lands, and Western Anatolia. Everything you see there is made by Greek-Ottoman subjects
As the Ottoman Empire was failing, they had a policy of Genocide for the local Greeks and Armenians and Assyrians (all Christians and roughly 40% of the population of what would be modern Turkey)
Turkey is a relatively new country. Founded in 1923 after they won control from the Ottomans, then a fight with the local ethnic Greeks and the Kingdom of Greece.
Once they had their Independence, the new secular government under Ataturk moved Turkey closer to Europe by separating Religion and the State. They also abolished the use of Arabic script and replaced it with a Latin Script
Food:
The food is absolutely amazing. Imagine the best of Mediterranean food (Greek/Lebanese) with a rustic quality added to it, and then the fact that it sat on the Silk Road. Flavors are off the charts.
Doner Kebab
Kokorec
Iskendar Kebab
Islak Burger (patty is actually kebab meat, and it is steamed in a red pepper-tomato sauce)
Fish Sandwich
Mezze (small dips and salads)
Pide
Baklava:
Turkish Delight
This post was edited on 5/22/22 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 5/22/22 at 9:48 pm to LoneStarRanger
People:
Turks (not to be confused with Arabs) are incredibly kind and sweet. If you learn just a few simple phrases in Turkish, they will be so thrilled, that often, they will treat you like a King
Prices:
Turkey is incredibly cheap, especially now. 1 Dollar = 15 Turkish Lira. A kebab wrap will cost you the equivalent of $2. A multi-course meal will be $7. Coffee/tea is 50¢. Hookah is anywhere from $3-$8. An high quality Airbnb will cost $100/night in Istanbul and half to a quarter of that in smaller cities and towns. Hotels are similar. I’ve stayed at 5 star resorts on the West Coast for less than $60/night, with golf costing about $10
Where to Visit:
The whole country is unique, and I have been many places, I’ll highlight my favorites
Cappadocia
This is an amazing place that is the heart of Early Christian Hermitages, Monasticism, and Mysticism. The Mountains made it safe for Christians during Roman persecutions. Take a Hot Air balloon ride for sure. Visit the Fairy Chimneys. Go to the Goreme Open Air Museum and Village, Rose Valley, and the Underground cities of Kaymakli and Derinkuyu. I stayed in a cave hotel which was cool
Gaziantep
This is the Culinary Capital of Turkey, and it did not Disappoint. Absolutely amazing food. Check out restaurants, Culinary Museum, Toy Museum, the Coppersmith Bazaar, the Castle, Roman Mosaics, etc
This post was edited on 5/22/22 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 5/22/22 at 9:50 pm to LoneStarRanger
Gobekli Tepe near Sanliurfa
The Gobekli Tepe and Karan Tepe ruins are the oldest ruins in the world, and only recently discovered. They are around 11,500 years old and 14,000 years old respectively. These are not heavily visited because of it being only recently discovered. You’ll sometimes come across ancient coins or tools or jewelry. Please bring to the Park Rangers.
Sanliurfa (formerly Edessa, formerly Ur Kasdim) Home of Abraham and Job. Go to Gobalsi Park and feed the Sacred Fish. Go to the Archeology Museum. Visit the Bazaar.
Turkish Riviera and Ephesus Ruins
The Turkish Riviera is highly underrated, and it seems only Ukranians and Russians know about it
Kusadasi is a great town to stay in and base yourself out of while doing a few tours
The Ephesus ruins are absolutely amazing. While doing Ephesus, make sure to visit the final home of Mary, Mother of God. And also the Temple of Artemis which was one of the 7 Wonders of the World
I also found some good golfing in this area, and enjoyed that
Marmaris
In the Riviera, a beautiful seaside town with beaches, resorts, and some nightlife with a Castle, Archeology Museum, and “Bar Street”
Lake Van Far to the East in Kurdistan, the scenery is beautiful
Trabzon
Beautiful area, and the last holdout of the remnants of the Byzantine Empire, they held out for 10 more years until the Turks destroyed them It has amazing landscape, sits on the Black Sea, and has numerous Churches and mountain towns surrounding it. Museums in the city were enjoyable.
Istanbul
Simply an Amazing city. I highly suggest staying near the Galata Tower for your first visit. The tower was built by the Genoans, and this was where they had their colonial trading district. Istiklal is a walking street that is lively into the wee hours of the evening.
Most of the tourist stuff is in Sultanahmet where old Constantinople was.
Topkapi Palace (former Byzantine Palace)
Hagia Sophia (formerly Christian Basilica)
Roman Cisterns
Grand Bazaar
Dolmabache Palace
Princes Island
Kadikoy neighborhood (Most Euro like neighborhood)
This post was edited on 5/22/22 at 9:59 pm
Posted on 5/22/22 at 9:55 pm to LoneStarRanger
Istanbul was Constantinople
Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Now it's Turkish delight on a moonlit night
Even old New York was once New Amsterdam
Why they changed it I can't say
People just liked it better that way
So take me back to Constantinople
No, you can't go back to Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Why did Constantinople get the works?
That's nobody's business but the Turks
Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Now it's Turkish delight on a moonlit night
Even old New York was once New Amsterdam
Why they changed it I can't say
People just liked it better that way
So take me back to Constantinople
No, you can't go back to Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Why did Constantinople get the works?
That's nobody's business but the Turks
Posted on 5/22/22 at 10:17 pm to LoneStarRanger
This is high quality travel board content right here, we’ll done.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 3:09 pm to LoneStarRanger
Did you live in Turkey for a few years? Outside of Istanbul, you’ve been to more places than I have.
If so, where were you based?
If so, where were you based?
Posted on 5/24/22 at 5:08 pm to LoneStarRanger
I had a 14 hour layover in Istanbul, coming back from India, so I hired a local guy to drive me to the area around Hagia Sophia and give me a tour. It was pretty awesome. Hagia Sophia impressed me more than the Taj Mahal (not a knock on the Taj). Lots of Roman ruins just outside. The market was cool but a bit modern. I enjoyed walking across the bridge over the Bosporus and watching the people fishing (and catching). A huge upgrade from Saudi (where I'd been too) and India. It's definitely a place I want to return to.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 8:22 pm to Tigris
Yeah, I've been to Istanbul twice, but only for a day each time. It's an amazing place, and I want to go back and spend more time -- and eat more Turkish Delight.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 9:20 pm to Keys Open Doors
quote:
Did you live in Turkey for a few years? Outside of Istanbul, you’ve been to more places than I have.
I had a client in Istanbul and I was helping his startup break into Europe and the US
I stayed for 6 months and made trips across Turkey/Armenia/Georgia/Bulgaria
I fell in love with the country
Posted on 5/24/22 at 9:29 pm to Tigris
quote:
I had a 14 hour layover in Istanbul, coming back from India, so I hired a local guy to drive me to the area around Hagia Sophia and give me a tour. It was pretty awesome. Hagia Sophia impressed me more than the Taj Mahal (not a knock on the Taj). Lots of Roman ruins just outside. The market was cool but a bit modern. I enjoyed walking across the bridge over the Bosporus and watching the people fishing (and catching). A huge upgrade from Saudi (where I'd been too) and India. It's definitely a place I want to return to.
Fun fact:
If flying Turkish airlines, you can set yourself up with a layover in Istanbul and Turkish Airlines offers a Stopover Program and gives you free tour into the city, to Sultanahmet where most of the big attractions are, for any layover over 6 hours
And if you set your layover up for over 20 hours, they will provide a free night in a 4 star hotel
This post was edited on 5/24/22 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:46 pm to LoneStarRanger
Çok degisik yerlere seyahat ettin!
That’s interesting because my friend was working for a consulting company (think Accenture level) and they sent him to Istanbul for a year. He ended up almost exclusively going to projects in Italy and Germany and barely saw the city except on weekends.
Where did you stay in Istanbul? Nisantasi was very popular with expats about a decade ago. Very few stayed on the Anatolian side.
The one thing I would add is that Germans (not German Turks) have definitely discovered the Turkish Riviera. I went to a restaurant in a touristic part of Side, and the default menu was written in German
That’s interesting because my friend was working for a consulting company (think Accenture level) and they sent him to Istanbul for a year. He ended up almost exclusively going to projects in Italy and Germany and barely saw the city except on weekends.
Where did you stay in Istanbul? Nisantasi was very popular with expats about a decade ago. Very few stayed on the Anatolian side.
The one thing I would add is that Germans (not German Turks) have definitely discovered the Turkish Riviera. I went to a restaurant in a touristic part of Side, and the default menu was written in German
This post was edited on 5/24/22 at 11:49 pm
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:36 am to LoneStarRanger
quote:
If flying Turkish airlines, you can set yourself up with a layover in Istanbul and Turkish Airlines offers a Stopover Program and gives you free tour into the city, to Sultanahmet where most of the big attractions are, for any layover over 6 hours
And if you set your layover up for over 20 hours, they will provide a free night in a 4 star hotel
There is a very good chance that I'll do exactly this next year. There are other city/airline combos as well where I'm hoping to do this some day. Not positive on a couple but:
Singapore Airlines/Singapore
Cathay Pacific/Hong Kong
Emirates/Dubai
Qatar Airlines/Doha
JAL/Tokyo
Copa/Panama City?
Avianca/Bogota
Icelandair/Reykjavik (have done)
Hawaiian/Honolulu?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:37 am to Tigris
quote:
There is a very good chance that I'll do exactly this next year. There are other city/airline combos as well where I'm hoping to do this some day. Not positive on a couple but:
Singapore Airlines/Singapore
Cathay Pacific/Hong Kong
Emirates/Dubai
Qatar Airlines/Doha
JAL/Tokyo
Copa/Panama City?
Avianca/Bogota
Icelandair/Reykjavik (have done)
Hawaiian/Honolulu?
Good info, didn't know any of this.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:09 am to DukeSilver
Iceland started this trend if I’m not mistaken. It worked well for them and then Portugal, Turkey, Qatar, and UAE followed it.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:22 pm to DukeSilver
quote:
Good info, didn't know any of this.
You may or may not get a free hotel (or deeply discounted), but at the least the airfare is no higher for including a stopover.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 3:05 pm to Tigris
Do you need to contact someone after booking the flight to set it up or how do you go about taking advantage of this?
Posted on 5/26/22 at 6:34 pm to LoneStarRanger
This is a bucket list trip for me. Thanks for putting so much effort in to the post. Greatly appreciated and has me fired up to go.
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