re: Updated Cord Cutting Thread | Compilation of Set-ups posted in post after OP

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Are you joking?

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Nope.

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You're still trying to convince yourself that streaming is somehow morally right.

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What gave you that idea? I'm not arguing that streaming is morally right. I'm arguing that it is an effective way to force change in an industry that no consumer likes. If nobody breaks the "rules", nothing will ever change.

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Both are stealing.

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Actually, neither is "stealing".

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Don't try to make it some sort of macro decision where you're personally changing things.

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Personally? No, I can't do anything alone. But if enough people do it with me, yeah we can change things. That's the reason I'm having this discussion with you right now.

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You're just beating cheap (like the rest of us) and stealing content.

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Cheap? No. I pay for Netflix, Prime, and soon Hulu. I will pick up Sling for football season. I don't necessarily care for the fact that CBS avoids Hulu and offers their own paid service, but that's fine and I would probably subscribe to that too if I didn't have an OTA DVR. If every cable channel offered similar services, I would likely subscribe to several of them. Every time there is a sensible way for me to pay for what I want, I pay. I suspect I am not alone.

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So you're consuming something at no cost to yourself that is not available for free from the distributor but that's not stealing?

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Call it illegal streaming, copyright infringement, or just call it wrong or immoral. But it's not stealing or theft. Is it "stealing" if you sneak into a movie theater? If you read an entire magazine at the stand and leave it there, did you steal the magazine? It's an important distinction. The industry likes to blur the lines, though. Don't fall for it.

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I like this quote:

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Every time there is a sensible way for me to pay for what I want, I pay.

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So if it's a price you don't agree with, you'll just take it some other way. But not stealing, tho.

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If you like the quote so much, perhaps you should read it again. Did it mention price? Does "sensible way to pay for what I want" refer to the cost at all? The key words are "sensible" and "what I want", as in, it is not sensible in the least to be forced to pay for things I don't want in order to get things I do want.



So I'll try to just leave it at that rather than continue to muck up this thread. You asked a question, and I answered to the best of my ability why I consider illegal streaming to be better for the industry than "borrowing" someone's cable login, and why it's not all that amusing to feel that way.

Trying to cut out cable. My question is how I would watch fantasy football on Sunday's. Anyone have a solution for getting something like NFL redzone?

Is there anyway possible to borrow a password and watch in another way besides kodi?

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any updates on those of you that use Tablo?

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What do you want to know? Any specific questions? I've had mine for about 3 weeks, so here are my pros/cons so far:

Pros

Setup was pretty simple, as is the interface.

Being able to watch recordings on any device and from anywhere is pretty awesome.

It doesn't skip commercials automatically, but it does the next best thing by putting up a Netflix-style row of thumbnails for quickly scanning forward (this isn't available for recordings still in progress, it takes a few minutes after the recording is complete for the Tablo to generate the thumbnails).

It organizes shows by season and episode automatically, with nice cover art. I much prefer this over a simple list of show titles like a cable DVR.


Cons

Watching live TV isn't the best experience with the ~10 second lag when changing channels (this doesn't bother me much, as the only time I'll ever watch live TV is for sports and other events when I won't be flipping channels).

The show organization is a 'pro' listed above, but the con is there's currently no way to see your most recent recordings on the Roku app (you can list by most recent on the Android app, though).

There is no list of 'upcoming' recordings, other than by scanning the guide and looking for record tags.

By far the biggest con I've found so far is I ran into a show-stopper bug on Friday, and I just resolved it last night. My Tablo started recording shows about EIGHTEEN HOURS LATE. The Tablo had the correct time, the guide showed the correct time, and my shows listed the correct time to record... the damned thing just didn't start recording until the next day. Apparently the way it schedules things by time zone is kind of flaky, and it may use the time zone of your router or the device you use to set up the Tablo. All my recordings were perfect until last Thursday, and then from Friday until yesterday they were all wrong. I checked my router logs and it apparently rebooted and reset its time zone on Friday, so when the Tablo reconnected it picked up the wrong time, too. The router fixed its time itself, but the Tablo never picked up on it, and I had to reboot it manually.



All in all, I like it. I just hope they get that really big bug worked out soon.

that actually answered most of my questions. do you have a 2 or 4 channel? i plan on connecting it to 4 tv's (via 2ea. hard wired roku3's, one hard wired roku4, and a roku stick) but will likely never use more than one or two at a time since it's just OTA channels. not sure which to go with.

also, how is the resolution? HD? meh?

to your comments...

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Watching live TV isn't the best experience with the ~10 second lag when changing channels (this doesn't bother me much, as the only time I'll ever watch live TV is for sports and other events when I won't be flipping channels).

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i don't know how much channel surfing i'll be doing, probably same boat as you. so likely not that big of a deal.

on organization... so if it records a bunch of episodes of a single show (for instance, my wife watched Kelly & Michael and they have reruns every now and then), it will order them in the order of when they originally aired, not when they were recorded? That's odd but oh well i guess.

and the scheduling thing sounds like it could be an issue as well! keep us posted on any other problems related to that.

Thanks for the info.

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there's currently no way to see your most recent recordings on the Roku app (you can list by most recent on the Android app, though).

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I should clarify what I meant by this and how it works. When you click on a recorded show, you get the view I posted above. On the 'all recordings' screen, though, your shows are organized alphabetically, and this is the only sort order on Roku. The way the Android app lists by 'most recent' is it just sorts your shows by which one had an episode recorded most recently. You still have to click the show and sift through the view above to find the most recently recorded episode by looking at dates. That is really only an issue if you record all airings of some shows. Most shows I only record new episodes, so the 'most recent' listing can be handy, and I wish the Roku app would do it.

So I've installed KODI on my Firestick. Everything seems to be working flawlessly. I have watched a couple movies and had no problems. It was easy to do and glad I did it.....however,

Is there a way to get kodi to play thru my surround sound? I have a Denon receiver and thought I had it hooked up correctly to play thru my speakers. I've looked at a couple forums and am still confused as to whether it can be done. I would say on a scale of 1-10 my technology/computer savvy is about a 5. Any tips would be greatly appreciated or if someone could point me in the right direction. I don't know if it's how I have my stuff configured or if I need to actually change some settings within the app. Thanks.

I have a fair understanding of most of the streaming services, apps and services provided by different packages, however I'm still a bit confused about software named "PlayOn"... Can someone provide a clear explanation of what it is and what exactly it does.

Thanks in advance...

Might check it out, but it'll probably bog down my fire stick even more than it already is