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The Computer Chronicles - Windows 3.0 (1990)
Posted on 6/28/17 at 11:32 pm
Posted on 6/28/17 at 11:32 pm
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 5:30 am to iPadThai
dang 1990 doesnt seem like that long ago but after seeing that video it sure does 
Posted on 6/29/17 at 9:50 am to FLObserver
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dang 1990 doesnt seem like that long ago but after seeing that video it sure does
Computer technology has grown and blossomed at a ridiculous bell curve rate compared to every other piece of technology that I've seen in my lifetime.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 10:32 am to iPadThai
autoexec.bat and config.sys ftw
Posted on 6/29/17 at 10:35 am to musick
Apple claiming to own the GUI and suing Microsoft for using it in windows 2.0 they claimed that they owned "moving an icon anywhere on the screen" and "cascading windows" and "moving a window on and off the screen" and copyrighted these features
some things never change
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 10:37 am
Posted on 6/29/17 at 10:46 am to musick
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some things never change
including the real reason ipadThai posted this video.
btw a favorite pastime of mine was to go into CompUSA and walk down the aisle with the computers hitting ESC on each to break out of the demo...then walking back and typing 'format c:' on each.
i loved walking by later and seeing the sales guys staring at the blinking cursors on the screens scratching their heads.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:08 am to musick
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they claimed that they owned "moving an icon anywhere on the screen" and "cascading windows" and "moving a window on and off the screen" and copyrighted these features
some things never change
Why so salty? Still upset that whatever PC you were using in 1990 is at the bottom of a landfill whereas my 1990 Macintosh SE/30 is still rolling just fine on TigerDroppings?
Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:24 am to efrad
Posted on 6/29/17 at 12:18 pm to efrad
Go back in time and follow Steve Jobs walking through Xerox research Lab
Posted on 6/29/17 at 1:06 pm to t00f
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Go back in time and follow Steve Jobs walking through Xerox research Lab
Why do people act like Steve Jobs went to PARC in the middle of the night and stole their computers and just made copies of them?
Xerox didn't know what they had, and their previous attempts to sell the Xerox Alto failed. Jobs sold them stock options in exchange for visits to PARC. From there, the two big takeaways were the mouse and the GUI. The former existed in some form or another since the 60s, and the latter was just a starting point for what eventually became the Macintosh OS. The Alto GUI was mostly just graphical menus. Direct manipulation of objects like dragging icons around, moving/resizing windows, etc.; a menu bar; a trash can; pull-down menus; all of these were created by the Macintosh team.
So yea, PARC was certainly an inspiration to Steve, but to pretend like it was a direct copy is to entertain a Silicon Valley legend propagated by history written by victors, i.e. Microsoft, who had every reason to want to undermine Apple's legacy.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 1:20 pm to efrad
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Why do people act like Steve Jobs went to PARC in the middle of the night and stole their computers and just made copies of them?
Xerox didn't know what they had, and their previous attempts to sell the Xerox Alto failed. Jobs sold them stock options in exchange for visits to PARC. From there, the two big takeaways were the mouse and the GUI. The former existed in some form or another since the 60s, and the latter was just a starting point for what eventually became the Macintosh OS. The Alto GUI was mostly just graphical menus. Direct manipulation of objects like dragging icons around, moving/resizing windows, etc.; a menu bar; a trash can; pull-down menus; all of these were created by the Macintosh team.
So yea, PARC was certainly an inspiration to Steve, but to pretend like it was a direct copy is to entertain a Silicon Valley legend propagated by history written by victors, i.e. Microsoft, who had every reason to want to undermine Apple's legacy.
I did not infer any of your assumptions so ramble all you want.
None of us were there but that visit played a significant shift in Jobs vision moving forward.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 4:13 pm to iPadThai
Trying to recall, but I think that time was a tipping point between DOS and Win as well as WordPerfect and Word.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 4:15 pm to kengel2
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Pretty good.
Stumbled on to this dude measing with people in flight simulator. I cant stop laughing.
LINK
I'm two minutes in and I'm dying.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 4:55 pm to efrad
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The Alto GUI was mostly just graphical menus. Direct manipulation of objects like dragging icons around, moving/resizing windows, etc.; a menu bar; a trash can; pull-down menus; all of these were created by the Macintosh team.
So yea, PARC was certainly an inspiration to Steve, but to pretend like it was a direct copy is to entertain a Silicon Valley legend propagated by history written by victors, i.e. Microsoft, who had every reason to want to undermine Apple's legacy.
That totally errs in the other direction.
The Alto ran Smalltalk in the mid-70's, and it had more to the GUI than you state. See for example:
LINK
Xerox released the Star in 1981, which predates Apple's Lisa by a couple of years, and it had a very recognizable GUI. According to the Ars piece, it was less advanced than the Alto, e.g. "most significantly the ability to overlap windows was removed as it was thought too confusing for the general public. Instead, the Star used tiled windows." IIRC, Windows 1.0 came with tiled windows, and replacing overlapped windows with tiled windows was a concession Apple won from Digital Research's GEM on the PC in the 80's. The Atari ST used GEM but wasn't affected by that court decision.
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