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School me on WIFI Mesh systems...
Posted on 11/18/20 at 9:27 am
Posted on 11/18/20 at 9:27 am
Considering installing a mesh system in our house. House is 1900sf downstairs and 150sf upstairs with a 200sf workout/storage room 15ft from the house
Our internet is COX 150mbps download. Not planning to upgrade that speed any time soon.
Which system should I look at? I want to be able to extend our signal to the workout/storage room, which should also be covering most of the back patio if we can get it to extend out there
Our internet is COX 150mbps download. Not planning to upgrade that speed any time soon.
Which system should I look at? I want to be able to extend our signal to the workout/storage room, which should also be covering most of the back patio if we can get it to extend out there
Posted on 11/18/20 at 9:56 am to modes
mesh is just wireless access points.
if you want simple go with google wifi. if you want something better you can go with Orbi or other hardware with a dedicated backhaul channel. with only 150mbps you dont need the newest and greatest stuff. not many devices can do wifi6 so really no reason to get those either.
if you want simple go with google wifi. if you want something better you can go with Orbi or other hardware with a dedicated backhaul channel. with only 150mbps you dont need the newest and greatest stuff. not many devices can do wifi6 so really no reason to get those either.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 9:56 am to modes
What do you have now? Do you have trouble getting a signal where you need it?
I would think that a quality wifi router should be able to cover that by itself, depending on the layout etc. But if not then any of the mesh systems with the router device plus one mesh point should be more than sufficient. I don't think I've actually seen any deal-breaking negative reviews for any of the mesh systems, everyone seems pretty happy with whatever they go with. Probably because even the worst system with multiple access points is going to give better coverage than all but the best single point systems.
Personally, I would look into Ubiquiti's line of mesh systems just because I like most of their other networking products, but I'm a bit of a fanboy here so take that as you will.
As I said others seem happy with google/nest wifi, orbi, etc. I really don't think you can go wrong.
I would think that a quality wifi router should be able to cover that by itself, depending on the layout etc. But if not then any of the mesh systems with the router device plus one mesh point should be more than sufficient. I don't think I've actually seen any deal-breaking negative reviews for any of the mesh systems, everyone seems pretty happy with whatever they go with. Probably because even the worst system with multiple access points is going to give better coverage than all but the best single point systems.
Personally, I would look into Ubiquiti's line of mesh systems just because I like most of their other networking products, but I'm a bit of a fanboy here so take that as you will.
As I said others seem happy with google/nest wifi, orbi, etc. I really don't think you can go wrong.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 9:59 am to modes
Synology mesh systems are great
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:02 am to modes
I have two friends using TP Link Deco m5 without complaints.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:33 am to CarRamrod
Not to hijack the OPs thread, but I was wondering the same thing. I have metronet gig wifi and currently have a archer c7 that's at least 5 years old and has started flaking out pretty badly. The 5g band works but not the other band. The c7 covers almost all of my house with just a little loss on the very outskirts.
Was thinking of a router plus one access point to cover the upstairs a little better. Saw the Google WiFi version was going on sale on BF for $190. Looking at the orbi and ubuqiti are 2-3 times as expensive. Are they 2-3 times better? Does the Google WiFi with one access point sound like a good option? If I want to add another access point later, can I do that easily and cost effectively?
Was thinking of a router plus one access point to cover the upstairs a little better. Saw the Google WiFi version was going on sale on BF for $190. Looking at the orbi and ubuqiti are 2-3 times as expensive. Are they 2-3 times better? Does the Google WiFi with one access point sound like a good option? If I want to add another access point later, can I do that easily and cost effectively?
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:59 am to Hopeful Doc
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I have two friends using TP Link Deco m5 without complaints.
Can confirm that the TP Link Deco is solid. Zero issues.
I have also set up the google wifi for my fiancees family and it was pretty seamless as well. Google Wifi is working for a 2 story house with ease.
both were extremely easy to hook up.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 11:08 am to Korkstand
quote:there arent many people on here that would really benefit from getting a ubiquity setup. I sure would but i dont want to spend over 1k right now to upgrade my LAN.
Personally, I would look into Ubiquiti's line of mesh systems just because I like most of their other networking products, but I'm a bit of a fanboy here so take that as you will.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 12:05 pm to puffulufogous
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Looking at the orbi and ubuqiti are 2-3 times as expensive. Are they 2-3 times better?
No.
If you are not aware of a feature offered by one brand that another is missing, there is almost no chance that one brand is significantly better than another in your situation, assuming that you are comparing similar WiFi protocols (WiFi 6/802.11ax vs 802.11ac vs 802.11n...)
That said, there is also almost no chance that WiFi 6 is better than 802.11ac for most people as well. I would save the money on that if that amount of money is significant to you.
Everyone sells lemons. Everyone has a warranty of some sort. I don’t know of a company that I would blanket avoid (at least that has been mentioned in this thread). You’re probably best off by choosing the one you like the app best.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 12:08 pm to CarRamrod
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there arent many people on here that would really benefit from getting a ubiquity setup. I sure would but i dont want to spend over 1k right now to upgrade my LAN.

I'm talking about their Amplifi mesh line, which includes Amplifi Instant (wifi router + mesh point) for $179, Amplifi HD (more powerful router + 2 mesh points) for $340, among others ("Alien" and "gamer" systems).
I don't have personal experience with any of them, but I would imagine the Amplifi Instant for $179 competes well with other mesh systems.
Also, the "prosumer" Ubiquiti gear is pretty cheap. I have the USG ($139) and 2 APs ($89 each), so less than $350 worth of gear. CAT6 cost about $20 and of course I spent a couple hours installing, but it didn't come close to $1k all in. Both APs are inside and I get coverage well over 100 feet outside the house. I could add an outdoor AP for another $100 and cover the whole block.

And I know most don't care about the technical stuff, but the ubnt prosumer gear gives you WAY more control than any consumer gear. VLANs, multiple SSIDs, etc. Put your IoT devices on a VLAN that can't talk to the internet. Put the kids' devices on an SSID that cuts off at 8PM. Client groups with rate limits. Etc etc.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 12:18 pm to Hopeful Doc
Is a mesh system going to be one of those things that goes obsolete eventually due to updates? i.e. Apple products
Just trying to decide my price point here. If it stay relevant for 5 years or 10 years or more...
Just trying to decide my price point here. If it stay relevant for 5 years or 10 years or more...
Posted on 11/18/20 at 12:27 pm to jsk020
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Can confirm that the TP Link Deco is solid. Zero issues.
I will third that. I got it bc it was cheap, I run 3 of them.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 12:34 pm to modes
The big thing with 'mesh' compared to traditional WiFi, at least from a hardware side is the multiple radios that can talk to multiple devices simultaneously. What that means for 'mesh' is that you can talk to an AP, and it can simultaneously talk to another that actually has a hard wire simultaneously. It makes the speed closer to having each ap hardwired. The other big thing from a software side is that theybare made to be easy to configure them all the same so devices can float between APs without knowing it. Its not exactly new tech, just cheapened and distributed to the masses.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 2:01 pm to Korkstand
quote:yea but the system i want is a USG pro4, cloud key(for the ATT security transfer), a bigger switch and a couple APs. last time i prices everything it was approaching 1k.
Also, the "prosumer" Ubiquiti gear is pretty cheap. I have the USG ($139) and 2 APs ($89 each), so less than $350 worth of gear. CAT6 cost about $20 and of course I spent a couple hours installing, but it didn't come close to $1k all in. Both APs are inside and I get coverage well over 100 feet outside the house. I could add an outdoor AP for another $100 and cover the whole block.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 2:04 pm to LSshoe
quote:dont mke it harder than it is. a mesh system is just a fancy term to say wireless APs. Those APs can usually pickgyback on one other. but in a nut shell, they are just APs that talk to the main router wirelessly instead of hardwired.
at least from a hardware side is the multiple radios that can talk to multiple devices simultaneously.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 2:15 pm to CarRamrod
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dont mke it harder than it is. a mesh system is just a fancy term to say wireless APs. Those APs can usually pickgyback on one other. but in a nut shell, they are just APs that talk to the main router wirelessly instead of hardwired.
Well the "talking" technology on the mesh systems is different but essentially to the layman you are correct...it is basically the home version of the cloud managed wireless AP systems that most companies use in some way, shape, or form today.....hot business class brand is Cisco's Meraki I believe.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 2:32 pm to CarRamrod
quote:
yea but the system i want


quote:Yeah all that is about $1k, plus a rack/cab, cable, install, and that's pretty pricey for a home network. That said, it would be one beast of a home network, and for many it's worth it because it's a solid foundation for quality security cameras and smart home and automation stuff.
USG pro4, cloud key(for the ATT security transfer), a bigger switch and a couple APs. last time i prices everything it was approaching 1k.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 2:49 pm to CarRamrod
Everyone can benefit from a better setup, like Ubiquity. Wifi routers off the shelf are crap
Posted on 11/18/20 at 3:01 pm to Korkstand
quote:right. i want the ability to create VLANS for IoT devices so i can separate those and not have the network all under one list. Im very beginner in all this networking but with the shitty ATT gateways im kinda limited on how i can add a aftermarket router to be able to do this. I know Uniquity works. Last time i tried to do the passthrough method and use my Orbi mesh as the router, my gig speeds were cut in half. So right now i just have it as APs. I want to try to reset everything and see if passthrough will work with recent updates but if the house was out of internet for a few hours, my wife would not be happy.
Yeah all that is about $1k, plus a rack/cab, cable, install, and that's pretty pricey for a home network. That said, it would be one beast of a home network, and for many it's worth it because it's a solid foundation for quality security cameras and smart home and automation stuff.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 4:16 pm to CarRamrod
quote:dumb question, but did you set both the gateway and the orbi to negotiate gigabit, full duplex in their settings?
Orbi mesh as the router, my gig speeds were cut in half
Since you called yourself a beginner, but I know you’re fairly adept:
And did your hardwired speed get cut in half or your WiFi ones? WiFi speeds will probably only reach that for a single device on the network during a benchmarking test only. And you’ll need MIMO 3 or 4 on a 5GHz network on both the router and the client.
I have gigabit speeds. I can do as well as 950mbps over the wire. Real devices on my network outside of test scenarios (single ssid, line of sight, bonded channels with minimal interference as determined by Unifi’s test...I did get it to read 800mbps once) are 300-350mbps. Sometimes I get 380mbps. But the real world performance between these is negligible for essentially anything short of downloading multi-gig files. Someone worried about that needs their machine that does that wired, or they’re going to be disappointed.
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