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re: New Home - Outfit My Home Audio
Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:24 pm to LSUtigerME
Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:24 pm to LSUtigerME
The Dayton plate amps are good. I use this one (in a home built wood cabinet) to power an Eminence 15" open baffle subwoofer.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 11:01 pm to LSUtigerME
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The closet shares a wall, but the built-in is between them. There’s a 1’ difference in the ceiling height of closet and top of built-ins (11’ ceiling in closet, 10’ built-in, 12’ Room).
The 1' of space makes it somewhat hard to use many off the shelf subs, however, you could probably make the SVS SB-1000 work. It is a 10" sealed sub that is only 13.5 inches tall. You could probably build a shelf in the closet so it sits at just the right height to have the driver clear the bottom edge of the built in. The Sub would be pushed up against the living room layer of drywall the either the OEM grille would need to be modified or a custom grille made. Given the location the grille wouldn't have to pass scrutiny from a foot away. You could probably attach the OEM grille as is (it comes in white or black) by attaching it to the wall and moving the sub back about an inch so the lower grill frame didn't interfere with cone movement. You could also use a metal mesh one that could be painted wall color if it isn't white.
The problem with a consumer in-ceiling sub is the decent ones start at about $500. By decent, I mean like the Polk and Klipsch and not a no-name. Sounds fine BUT they are all passive, meaning they have no amp included so even at the cheap end that is another $200. Be aware there are a lot of cheap in-wall/in-ceiling subs for sale BUT all I am aware of do not have any back box if you put that in a ceiling it will be operating like an infinite baffle speaker and will never work well.
The problem is you want a solution not many people pursue. The ones that do usually either don't give two craps about the quality of the sound and go super cheap or they do care and want an elegant concealed sound system and have a custom integrator come in and install higher end stuff like James or Triad. James
Most just accept a white or black cube and put it in a corner behind some furniture or the woodworkers build it into a nice piece of furniture. I respect what you want to do and it is doable even in your budget but it requires some thought and creativity.
To reanswer your question you need power near the proposed sub site (if you go with my DIY approach or a commercial one box "active" sub) as well as running RG6 from the sub location to the location of the sub output source (receiver, sound bar etc).
I will note there are some very small commercial subs that do a very good job for the size, I am talking down to 9" cubes. Some are in your budget and some slightly above but if you feel like you can hide one of these in the corner somewhere you have saved a lot of work. Be aware the sub does NOT need to be on the same end of the room as the main speakers. I'll leave a list of some if you care to google them.
Velodyne Microvee and Minivee
Definitive Technology Supercube 2000
Golden Ear Forcefield Three
NHT Super 10
Paradigm Cinema Sub
All of them are basically a one foot cube or smaller and most fit inside your budget.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 11:16 pm to Marco Esquandolas
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The Dayton plate amps are good. I use this one (in a home built wood cabinet) to power an Eminence 15" open baffle subwoofer.
The new one I linked to is really cool. 250w amp with full USB controlled DSP. I don't know who the OEM is (and it isn't Hypex Ncores at this price!) but people are having great luck with them. At $175 that is cheaper than a MiniDSP 2x4 by itself. It is really a great product for small subs. Along with the cabinet materials and the UM10 driver I mentioned you have a great little sub for $450 and that driver has a 19mm Xmax (which is conservative since it is a coil/gap geometry mathematical figure with no correction applied) so it has more displacement that a lot of 12" sub drivers. Its 18" bigger brother (UM18) is the (current) undisputed displacement for the dollar sub available, since the SI HT18 is currently not being produced. I have 18 of the HT18s and 4 of the UM18s sitting waiting for me to start my new theater build.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 6:41 am to CBLSU316
I just wanted to say that if you want a WHOLE home audio system and have kids/wife. Just jump into Sonos. It’s super easy and really not all that expensive compared to creating a whole home audio system with receivers and speakers.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 7:24 am to Obtuse1
There was also a company that has the name "sun" in it that was compact but put out big sound. I'll look.
ETA it is Sunfire
ETA it is Sunfire
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 7:25 am
Posted on 12/19/17 at 8:22 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
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There was also a company that has the name "sun" in it that was compact but put out big sound. I'll look.
ETA it is Sunfire
They (Bob Carver) was the originator of the "tiny" sub, the True Subwoofer EQ10. Sunfire still makes a line of small subs but they are significantly more expensive than the OPs budget.
Hoffman's Iron Law states that of the three speaker attributes 1 bass extension 2 efficiency 3 small enclosure you can only have two. So for a very small subwoofer, you have to have a ton of power. Carver was the one that mainstreamed amps using a switching power supply into the hi-fi world. This made for very powerful small amps that produced little heat compared to A and A/B topology amps which later he used to build the tiny subs. Most of his amps were G topology but some were H.
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 8:24 am
Posted on 12/19/17 at 8:51 am to Obtuse1
Yep. I have a Klipsch RW-12D now that is a humongous beast but it puts out some power. That was a crazy deal when it was being sold. Got it for 229.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 3:00 pm to CBLSU316
I have a ML 700W wirelss subwoofer and its pretty badass.
Martin Logan Wireless subwoofer
Denon Recevier
LINK
Klipsch center channel
I have 4 speakers mounted in the ceiling (can't remember which. Everything is controlled by a Pro Control IR remote using a Ipad Mini.
I looked at Sonos but didn't like the fact that your married to them for everything. FYI I had Sound advice in BR do my installs and they did an excellent job. I looked at the Bose HE system as well and came out cheaper with much better quality stuff than the BOse or Sonos.
Martin Logan Wireless subwoofer
Denon Recevier
LINK
Klipsch center channel
I have 4 speakers mounted in the ceiling (can't remember which. Everything is controlled by a Pro Control IR remote using a Ipad Mini.
I looked at Sonos but didn't like the fact that your married to them for everything. FYI I had Sound advice in BR do my installs and they did an excellent job. I looked at the Bose HE system as well and came out cheaper with much better quality stuff than the BOse or Sonos.
Posted on 12/20/17 at 12:36 pm to Obtuse1
I have the Velodyne Minivee and it is very impressive for its size.
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