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Posted on 10/2/14 at 8:29 pm to
Posted by Hopeful Doc
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Posted on 10/2/14 at 8:29 pm to
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Launchbar? Not sure what you mean here. Are you talking about the Third party App? Again, Spotlight covers all that.



I'm referring to the dock at the bottom of the screen from which programs can be/are typically launched. I realized I didn't know the name of it when I began typing, but I didn't let that bother me too much


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As for Ubuntu, I'm speaking of things like the default browser can't even run flash player without going into terminal. And even then from what i'm seeing I'm not sure if it can.



Software Center remedies this and has since 10.04 at least. Almost every piece of software that the typical user would want is in a unified app store, already installed on the OS for you.
Posted by TigerGman
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Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 10/2/14 at 9:04 pm to
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remedies this and has since 10.04 at least. Almost every piece of software that the typical user would want is in a unified app store, already installed on the OS for you.



Thanks for the tip. That worked for FireFox and was as simple as it gets. The first few Google hits I found were all talking about Terminal and many comments were saying it didn't work. I see Adobe isn't going to update the versions anymore but will still issue security updates, so I'm not sure if that's a big deal or not. I was running Chrome cause FireFox was running at a snails pace. I'll have to see if that speeds it up.
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 10/2/14 at 10:01 pm to
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Central PC and a couple Laptops is reasonable. We have ipads and mini ipad individually so laptop wouldn't be necessary. One central powerful PC would probably be a better fit the more i think about it. I like the idea of the PC being a hub/media server so to speak. It would be able to connect to the ethernet 24/7. I would assume this would allow for some ability to add laptops in the future. I hate inkjet printers, but wife prints pictures, etc. I would prefer a laser printer if I can fit it in the budget.


With a budget of $3-6k, it would be relatively easy.

Modem: $25 for the Cisco DPC3010 LINK

Routers: Either the RT-AC66U, RT-AC68U, or RT-AC87U. All are Dual Band 802.11AC routers, ranging in price from $160 to about $290. The difference between the first two I mentioned is really just the maximum speed on the 2.4GHz band. The 66U can do 450mbps and the 68U can do 600mbps. However, this is completely dependent on the number of spatial streams in a client device. You'd need 4 to get 600mbps, and there are few laptops with 4 antennae. It's almost always going to be 3 or less. Phones and stream boxes like the Roku are going to have 1, and whatever laptops you get will probably have 802.11AC anyway, so you'll want to use the 5GHz band. The other difference is that the AC66U only has USB 2.0 ports for USB networked storage, while the 68U has a USB 3.0 port.

The AC87U is going to offer greater range. It's the only one with 4x4 MU-MIMO, so it'll do the best job of handling lots of clients at varying ranges. This doesn't mean you'll actually notice a benefit in your particular situation, however. Any of those routers, as well as cheaper routers, can handle a few laptops and some phones with no problem. If your house is greater than 2000 square feet, it might be worth considering the 87U, but it's nearly $300 on Amazon. I'm only recommending 802.11AC at all because you're redoing your network/computing infrastructure from the ground up, so you might as well start with the latest and greatest, within reason. And ASUS router have a very user-friendly interface to set up everything, including some fantastic parental controls that you can use to shut off internet access to individual devices (i.e. your kids' computer, mobile devices, etc.) on a customizable schedule.

Printer(s): I'm not as familiar with all the printer choices out there. I tend to buy a printer and stick with it for as long as humanly possible. I, too, hate ink jets, but have never used a printer often enough to justify the added cost. Unfortunately, the fact that I don't use the printer enough makes inkjets less desirable because they tend to dry out and need cleaning (thus using ink) if you don't use them often enough. I've been using an Officejet pro 8500 for years with not many complaints, other than the duplex function being 100% useless, and of course the typical grumblings about the inkjet racket.

Get everything else sorted out, then maybe start a thread for laser printer recommendations. Not sure how much printer help is available here, but at least it won't be polluted with all the rehashed arguing. You'll probably pay a few hundred for any color laser printer worth having, and of course you know that the consumables like toner are going to cost more (but need replacing less often). One thing you might consider is getting a cheaper $50-ish inkjet specifically for photo printing and a nicer color laser printer for everything else.

This post was edited on 10/2/14 at 10:09 pm
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 10/2/14 at 10:14 pm to
Computers: Starting with the desktop - since you're interested in using the desktop as a media hub, lots of storage is probably in order. I'd be more than happy to build something that would fit your needs a little more readily than something off the shelf. Mainly, an SSD for fast booting/overall responsiveness while working in the OS, and separate high-capacity storage for media that can be accessed by other devices without affecting the performance of the desktop if it's being used at the same time. Custom-built would be more upgradeable and generally use better quality parts.

Here's one setup option below. Doesn't include mouse and keyboard because everyone has different preferences.

PCPartPicker part list: LINK

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($224.98 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($28.49 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock H97 Anniversary ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($74.78 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($68.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($109.97 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($101.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Rosewill Hive 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer ($13.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Acer S241HL bmid 60Hz 24.0" Monitor ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $863.16
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-10-02 22:09 EDT-0400

It's likely more than you need, but at the same time, it'll last you a while and you're less likely to notice any limitations in its use, particularly with slow-down that inevitably occurs in mechanical hard drives over time. Although, I can amp up the CPU to an i7 if you think you'll use it often enough for video editing. As it is, it's a good all-around configuration for home use as well as being able to serve as a cloud for the rest of the home. If you or your kids are interested in playing PC games, a mid-range graphics card could be added easily. Also, the chassis (case) I chose has filters for the intake fans -- cuts down on dust buildup/maintenance a good bit. You can't get a configuration like this off the shelf. As for software... you just tell me what you need, and it can be had. If you would prefer an off-the-shelf desktop PC, I can look into that too. It's not that they're bad. You just get a little less for a little more money, and they're generally not quite as targeted or upgrade-friendly as this system.

For laptops, a couple of these ASUSes or these Lenovos would make for decent, well-rounded general business use. The laptops I linked have 802.11AC. I particularly like the ASUS because it's 1080P and has a nice little boost of GPU power for true HD playback. If you have specific applications that are resource-heavy (video editing, 3d modeling, photoshop, financial modeling/trading) in whatever profession you might have, let me know. Or, let me know if you'd prefer an ultrabook for the added portability and touch screen functionality. Something like that might be a better complement to a media hub, but not everyone likes them. Plus, you already have tablets. The desktop could be amped up significantly in lieu of the laptops, but I doubt you'd get any additional benefit from it.

All of these suggestions are taking into account your $3k-6k budget, without going overboard to the point of highly diminishing returns. The desktop build with monitor + the two ASUS laptops + modem + the router will total $2450-2550+ depending on the router you choose. Leaves lots of room for a good printer and keeps you at the low end of your budget. So, with that in mind, if you'd like me to scale anything up or down based what you think you might need/want, let me know. Or if you need to fit another major machine/device/etc into the budget. And obviously, these suggestions consider that you aren't tied to the Apple ecosystem. I know you have iPads, but so do I, as well as iPhones, and I've never felt held back by not having an all-apple environment. I think the idea of being bound by any single ecosystem in both hardware and software is kind of silly. Apple, Google, Microsoft... I'll take all 3, and a mix of my own ecosystem.

However, there is something to be said about going all Apple if you love OS X -- in which case, the decisions are largely laid out for you -- iMac, airport time capsule, maybe a macbook air or something, Apple TV, etc. And if you're not sure whether you want OS X or Windows, I'm going to bow out for the remainder of the thread because I am really just not interested in dealing with the same old bullshite.
This post was edited on 10/2/14 at 10:16 pm
Posted by sig3197
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Posted on 10/3/14 at 8:44 am to
How would someone that wanted to do a project like this contact someone like you?
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 10/3/14 at 10:53 am to
ILikeLSUToo at g mail
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