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How much longer will we have Bluray (or high bitrate media)
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:13 pm
I love watching movies on my plex server from blu rays as opposed to streaming them (in the traditional sense from a service). I stream a lot because there's so much that I don't own that's available via Netflix/Hulu/Wherever but I much prefer the lossless audio/higher video bitrate from blurays.
Now the majority of people don't really care about that fine a level of quality compared to the incredible convenience of streaming so I expect blurays to go the way of the DVD and VHS but can't really predict what will replace it compared to streaming which has to compress everything down. Plus I also enjoy owning content that I know I can watch whenever I want and not have to worry about which service dropping things I still want to watch. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
Now the majority of people don't really care about that fine a level of quality compared to the incredible convenience of streaming so I expect blurays to go the way of the DVD and VHS but can't really predict what will replace it compared to streaming which has to compress everything down. Plus I also enjoy owning content that I know I can watch whenever I want and not have to worry about which service dropping things I still want to watch. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 2:14 pm
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:21 pm to jlovel7
Netflix already has some stuff streaming in 4k. I imagine all the streaming services will eventually increase 4k content and one day go to 8k. Physical media will be phased out.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:24 pm to Brosef Stalin
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Netflix already has some stuff streaming in 4k. I imagine all the streaming services will eventually increase 4k content and one day go to 8k. Physical media will be phased out.
Yes but is it comparable in quality to a 4kUHD bluray? They also don't allow for DTS-HD MA or Dolby TruHD. They max out at DD+ as far as I know.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:52 pm to jlovel7
all i know is the latest movies i'm streaming in plex now seem to be both HDR and DolbyHD 
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This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:58 pm to CAD703X
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all i know is the latest movies i'm streaming in plex now seem to be both HDR and DolbyHD
I stream mine through plex as well but did those come from Bluray originals?
ETA: How can a 4k HDR video be 35GB? That's similar to a 1080p Bluray. I thought they were approaching triple digits?
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 6/6/19 at 3:17 pm to jlovel7
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ETA: How can a 4k HDR video be 35GB? That's similar to a 1080p Bluray.
H.265 is how. See above. The original UHD BD disk was ripped and encoded as H265.
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Conceived to boost video streaming, High Efficiency Video Coding (HEVC), or H.265, is a video compression standard designed to substantially improve coding efficiency when compared to its precedent, the Advanced Video Coding (AVC), or H.264. With an increasing growth of video streaming on the Internet over popular websites such as Netflix and YouTube, and with 4K cameras gaining new ground in the market, a considerable amount of storage and bandwidth is required. HEVC promises a 50% storage reduction as its algorithm uses efficient coding by encoding video at the lowest possible bit rate while maintaining a high image quality level.
As many of us, Stream4s believes HEVC will revolutionize how video data is displayed, either online, on television and even in the surveillance industry. With this new format, image resolutions around 8192×4320 become possible to display and stream. To demonstrate the incredible power of this codec, a subjective video performance study was made between these two codecs to understand how intensely is this bit reduction. The study showed the bit reduction is inversely proportional to the video image quality, where HEVC/H.265 presented a bit reduction of 52% at 480p and 64% at 4K UHD when compared to H.264. Besides this outstanding bit reduction, when compared to H.264, HEVC/H.265 delivers a significantly better visual quality, when compressed to the same file size or bitrate.
HEVC is just another step; AV1 is coming soon which is supported by Google, Apple, Microsoft, Netflix, Amazon, Facebook, Nvidia...
It will likely be the standard 4K streaming technology for the next few years once the dust has settled because it compresses video 30% more than HEVC with better overall picture quality particularly at 4K and 8K...
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 6/6/19 at 3:31 pm to CAD703X
Ah I see. What kind of processor do you run on your plex machine to decode/encode HEVC?
ETA: Also if I encode my movies to HEVC then stream that as "direct" to my fire tv will that be managable on my CPU because it isn't a transcode? Obviously the original compression could be taxing but once that's done playing it on plex should be relatively easy right?
ETA: Also if I encode my movies to HEVC then stream that as "direct" to my fire tv will that be managable on my CPU because it isn't a transcode? Obviously the original compression could be taxing but once that's done playing it on plex should be relatively easy right?
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 6/6/19 at 3:32 pm to CAD703X
quote:WTF i just converted my whole library to HVEC!!!!!!!!!
HEVC is just another step; AV1 is coming soon which is supported by Google, Apple, Microsoft, Netflix, Amazon, Facebook, Nvidia...
It will likely be the standard 4K streaming technology for the next few years once the dust has settled because it compresses video 30% more than HEVC with better overall picture quality particularly at 4K and 8K...
Posted on 6/6/19 at 3:37 pm to jlovel7
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Ah I see. What kind of processor do you run on your plex machine to decode/encode HEVC?
i let someone else encode them
plex is running on a 7+ yo alienware i7 and it pushes these natively to my TV without having to transcode it. i think plex has spent a great deal of time optimizing their 4K HDR playback for H265 because these play for me better than H.264 non HDR 4K rips.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 3:37 pm to jlovel7
quote:encoding is done prior to plex. He most likely downloaded that movie. ( actually went to my server to see if he was streaming from my server
Ah I see. What kind of processor do you run on your plex machine to decode/encode HEVC?
then i remembered he doesnt have access to my 4k movies.) Plex transcodes down if a client cant stream the original quality or the client requests a lower quality. That where CPU is a big deal. Or you can use GPU hardware acceleration.
Fun fact, i just added one of my 1080tis to my server to test out hardware acceleration. Well it works with handbrake for encoding as well and a super HQ encode what would have been able to go about 30-50 frames/sec and would take about an hour and a half, just took me 7 mins.
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 6/6/19 at 3:39 pm to jlovel7
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ETA: Also if I encode my movies to HEVC then stream that as "direct" to my fire tv will that be managable on my CPU because it isn't a transcode? Obviously the original compression could be taxing but once that's done playing it on plex should be relatively easy right?
see my reply. much like ripping your own CDs, why do the work when others have done it for you already and they've done it better than you can
like i said, a relatively old PC running plex handles these natively without hiccups. worst case scenario is if you have a problem video you can tell plex to create an optimized version which it will play instead but i haven't had to do that with any of the new H265 rips.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 3:39 pm to CarRamrod
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actually went to my server to see if he was streaming from my server
Posted on 6/6/19 at 3:40 pm to CarRamrod
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WTF i just converted my whole library to HVEC!!!!!!!!!
just hang onto these until everything goes 8K in a year or 2 then redownload them in AV1.
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 6/6/19 at 3:41 pm to CAD703X
quote:the optimized versions is if you want plex to copy your whole library to a version that plays on say a tablet or phone without needing to transcode.
worst case scenario is if you have a problem video you can tell plex to create an optimized version which it will play instead but i haven't had to do that with any of the new H265 rips.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 3:42 pm to CarRamrod
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he optimized versions is if you want plex to copy your whole library to a version that plays on say a tablet or phone without needing to transcode.
i had a couple problem 4Ks that wouldn't play without pausing and buffering every 2 minutes. i set plex to 'optimize at original quality' and now those play without any issues at 2160p so you can use the optimize to 'pre-transcode' movies its struggling to keep up with in real time. probably an issue because my hardware is getting old.
at least thats how i understand what its doing; all i know is they are still 4K and play flawlessly.
eta i haven't had that issue with any H265/HDR rips.
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 6/6/19 at 3:44 pm to CAD703X
quote:so you just want me to redownload 10 TBs worth of stuff? then tack on the extra quality.
just hang onto this until everything goes 8K in a year or 2 then redownload them in AV1.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 3:47 pm to CAD703X
hm ok. Well i was pleasantly surprised on what the 1080ti did to my encode/transcode ability. I think my record of multiple transcodes was 7 with my stock 8900k. i bet i could do 40 now with the 1080ti
Posted on 6/6/19 at 3:47 pm to CarRamrod
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so you just want me to redownload 10 TBs worth of stuff? then tack on the extra quality.
hey *I* don't want you to do anything.
once you own 2 or 3 8K tvs..well then your OCD nature will kick in and your 4K movies will seem like trash.
eta and by then we'll be drooling over some new Western Digital 32TB drives on sale at best buy.
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 6/6/19 at 3:50 pm to CarRamrod
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Plex transcodes down if a client cant stream the original quality or the client requests a lower quality. That where CPU is a big deal. Or you can use GPU hardware acceleration.
So if I transcode to HEVC in handbrake (obviously this may take a while with a less than optimal CPU) and then play that outputed file via direct play to plex, it should work pretty smoothly? Where my troubles would come would be if I was transcoding an uncompressed 4k HDR file via plex down to 1080 or whatever?
Posted on 6/6/19 at 3:50 pm to CarRamrod
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1080ti did to my encode/transcode ability
link?
my video card is old too but becuse of all the crypto-assholes card prices have been out of reach for a few years.
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